Scale of Measurement vs Equipment Sensitivity: Does Symmetry Always Hold?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the scale of measurements and the sensitivity of equipment in scientific experiments, particularly in the context of special relativity (SR). Participants explore whether a symmetry exists between enhancing measurement precision and increasing the physical scale of the phenomena being measured, and whether counterexamples to this symmetry can be identified.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the symmetry between measurement scale and equipment sensitivity is universally applicable in science and physics, seeking examples of phenomena where this symmetry may break down.
  • Another participant suggests that improving measurement can be achieved either by increasing the effect size or enhancing measurement precision, but does not provide counterexamples.
  • A different participant proposes the photoelectric effect as a potential counterexample, noting that emission occurs only above a certain frequency, indicating a non-smooth relationship with the variable of frequency.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of using sensitive measurements or shorter time scales for time-related phenomena, citing the method of measuring short laser pulses through auto-correlation.
  • A later reply reiterates the dual approach in science of striving for both high precision and broad measurement ranges, while acknowledging that scientific theories are not assumed to be always correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of a symmetry between measurement scale and equipment sensitivity, with some asserting that no counterexamples are known, while others suggest potential exceptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding whether such asymmetries exist in scientific phenomena.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring physical phenomena and the potential limitations of current theories regarding measurement techniques. There are unresolved questions about the conditions under which measurement precision and scale interact.

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Many times when i ask about test theories of SR, i am reminded by forum members, that equipment sensitivity, is equivalent to producing more extreme physical values. For example, you don't necessarily have to go faster in speed, in order to have a better measurement of time dilation, if you have an atomic clock that can go further down the decimal point.

My question is: Does this sort of symmetry/equivalence between scale of measurements (e.g. more speed) and the sensitivity of equipment (e.g. 10^-19 best current atomic clock precision), must always be correct in all of science and physics phenomenon? i.e there must be counter examples, where you actually have to physically go bigger/smaller, faster/slower, stronger/weaker, etc.. in a physical scale, in order to measure a phenomenon, which if you don't go physically enough up or down the scale of one phenomenon, it does not matter how sensitive the equipment is, you will not be able to see another phenomenon appearing in your measurements.

If this question makes any sense and if such an asymmetric phenomenon exists in science and physics, i.e. such a symmetry brake between scale of measurement and sensitivity of equipment, can anyone name such a phenomenon as an example?

If such an example does not exist, but still the question makes sense, i must be asking about a fundamental principle of science and physics, therefor can you please explain in more details?

If the question itself does not make any sense, can you please try to explain why?
 
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I don’t think this is a symmetry, but I know of no counterexamples. If you wish to measure an effect you can improve your measurement either by making the effect larger or by making your measurement more precise. It really doesn’t matter what you are measuring.
 
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For a counter example you'd need an effect that wasn't a smooth function of some variable. Something like the photo-electric effect, perhaps? You get no emission at frequencies below the binding energy of electrons. Above it you do.
 
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to measure something, you need something more sensitive or if it is a time related phenomenon, something that measures a shorter time. That is why they measure short laser pulses by splitting them and measuring the auto-correlation.
 
roineust said:
My question is: Does this sort of symmetry/equivalence between scale of measurements (e.g. more speed) and the sensitivity of equipment (e.g. 10^-19 best current atomic clock precision), must always be correct in all of science and physics phenomenon?

As far as I know, people try to do both. That is, measure as precisely as possible and also over as wide a range of values as possible.

In science things are not taken as always correct, instead people devise clever ways to see if a theory is incorrect. As the evidence builds in favor of a theory people gain more confidence in its validity.
 
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