Scattering Amplitude for a given potential

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The discussion revolves around determining the scattering amplitude for a given potential using time-dependent perturbation theory, specifically focusing on interactions between two scalar particles. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the scattering amplitude and the implications of the derived expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a potential model for the interaction between two scalar particles and derives an expression for the scattering amplitude, incorporating plane wave solutions.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the derived expression for the momentum conservation delta function, suggesting it enforces conservation of momentum.
  • A third participant confirms the correctness of the momentum conservation delta function.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of the scattering amplitude, noting it should be much less than 1, and explores its dependence on the energies of the involved states.
  • Another participant critiques the approach taken, suggesting that the amplitude should retain the delta functions and that conclusions should be drawn from the absolute square of the amplitude rather than the amplitude itself.
  • A final reply acknowledges the critique and expresses understanding of the feedback regarding the calculation approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating and interpreting the scattering amplitude. There is no consensus on the methodology or the implications of the derived expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of retaining delta functions in the scattering amplitude and the need to consider the absolute square for probability interpretations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the treatment of the amplitude and its implications.

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Hello again,

My question is on determining the scattering amplitude via time-dependent perturbation theory (first-order) for a given potential - I believe the perturbation potential is modeled due to some interaction between two scalar particles and has form:

\delta V=\lambda \Phi_{f'}^{*}\Phi_{i'}

Where I believe the i' state is the initial state of some incoming particle which interacts with another particle in a state i, then both particles rebound into states f' and f respectively. I believe we use an equation of the following form to determine the scattering amplitude (provided that they are much less than 1):

a_{f}(t)=\frac{i}{2E_{f}}\int dt\int d^3x\Phi_{f}^{*}\delta V\Phi_{i}

where I am assuming plane wave solutions to each wave equation, so they have following form where the N's are normalization constants.

\Phi_{i}=N_{1}e^{-E_{i}t+i\mathbf{p}_{i}\cdot \mathbf{x}}\; ,\; \Phi_{i'}=N_{3}e^{-E_{i'}t+i\mathbf{p}_{i'}\cdot \mathbf{x}}
\Phi_{f}^{*}=N_{2}e^{E_{f}t-i\mathbf{p}_{f}\cdot \mathbf{x}}\; ,\; \Phi_{f'}^{*}=N_{4}e^{E_{f'}t-i\mathbf{p}_{f'}\cdot \mathbf{x}}

So I have then substituted these into my scattering amplitude equation to attain:

a_{f}(t)=\frac{i\lambda}{2E_{f}}N_{1}N_{2}N_{3}N_{4}\int dt\: e^{i(E_{f}+E_{f'}-E_{i}-E_{i'})t}\int d^3x\: e^{-i(\mathbf{p}_f+\mathbf{p}_{f'}-\mathbf{p}_i-\mathbf{p}_{i'})\cdot \mathbf{x}}

Now, I think if I have done this correctly, then the integral of the exponential with respect to time becomes a delta function describing conservation of energy of the interaction such that:

\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dt\: e^{i(E_{f}+E_{f'}-E_{i}-E_{i'})t}=2\pi\delta(E_f+E_{f'}-E_i-E_{i'})

I think the integral with respects to 'x' does something similar, can someone help me out with this integral?

Thanks guys!
SK
 
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Actually is this correct?

(2\pi)^3\delta^3(\mathbf{p}_i+\mathbf{p}_{i'}-\mathbf{p}_f-\mathbf{p}_{f'})=\int d^3x\: e^{-i(\mathbf{p}_f+\mathbf{p}_{f'}-\mathbf{p}_i-\mathbf{p}_{i'})\cdot \mathbf{x}}

Essentially enforcing conservation of momentum as well?
 
yes,it is definitely correct.
 
Cheers man!

Thanks,
SK
 
I have attained a scattering amplitude of form:

\frac{i\lambda(2\pi)^4N_1N_2N_3N_4}{2(E_i+E_{i'}-E_{f'})}

from the above, what does this tell me about the interaction? I think we should expect scattering amplitudes much less than 1 though I'm not sure how this equation shows it.

It seems that all I can say for this scattering amplitude solution is that the scattering of some particle from states i to f by some other particle scattering from states i' to f' is inversely proportional to the energy of state f or the the energies i+i'-f', so that the scattering is not only dependent on one state of the scattered particle f but also on the energy states of all other particle states involved in the interaction.

Is there anything else this equation says?
 
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this is not the way you should do it.you have turned the amplitude into energy denominator form.You should retain those 4 delta functions(momentum+energy) and the absolute square of it shows the probability type thing.The delta function is treated after it.You can see some books lke feynman 'quantum electrodynamics' on how to treat it.you should draw some conclusion from absolute square of it rather than from amplitude itself(other than some analyticity,unitarity etc.)
 
Ahh I see what you mean, I may have been doing this calculation incorrectly but I understand what you are saying and it still applies. Thanks Andrien!
 

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