Second order differential eq problem (from a calc2 class)

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation of the form y'' + 16y = 9xe^(4x) with initial conditions y(0) = 0 and y'(0) = 0. Participants are exploring the methods to find the particular and complementary solutions.

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  • One participant attempts to find the particular solution and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach, particularly regarding the form of the particular solution. Others question the validity of the proposed particular solution and suggest alternative forms. There is also discussion about the implications of the complementary solution and its relation to the right-hand side of the equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the form of the particular solution. There is recognition of errors in the initial attempts, and suggestions for corrections have been made. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the steps involved in solving the differential equation.

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One participant notes that the evaluation of their homework is done through an online platform, which influences the format of their answers. There is also mention of a mistake made in copying the correct particular solution, which highlights the importance of accuracy in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement



y''+16y=9xe^(4x)

y(0)=0
y'(0)=0

find the solution, y(x) to the differential equation

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the particular solution to the right side of the equation, which is correct,

yp= .28125x-.0703125e^(4x)

For the left hand side of the equation I ended up with +- 4i, so using 4 as the beta value plugged it into,

y=Acos(4x)+Bsin(4x)

But plugging back into y''+16y I found it was the complementary equation... but does it even matter because there are no sines or cosines on the right hand side of the equation? I tried writing out the solution as

y = Acos(4x)+Bsin(4x) + .28125x-.0703125e^(4x)

Then solving it like an initial value problem but the computer won't take my answer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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It is an initial value problem. Show us your steps,also show us how you got yp. Why is it in decimal form?
 
icosane said:

Homework Statement



y''+16y=9xe^(4x)

y(0)=0
y'(0)=0

find the solution, y(x) to the differential equation

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the particular solution to the right side of the equation, which is correct,

yp= .28125x-.0703125e^(4x)
This does NOT satisfy the differential equation! Without even doing any calculations I can see that the second derivative is a constant times e^(4x) so even after adding 16y you can NOT get "xe^(4x)". Try a particular solution of the form (Cx+ D)e^(4x).

For the left hand side of the equation I ended up with +- 4i, so using 4 as the beta value plugged it into,

y=Acos(4x)+Bsin(4x)

But plugging back into y''+16y I found it was the complementary equation... but does it even matter because there are no sines or cosines on the right hand side of the equation? I tried writing out the solution as

y = Acos(4x)+Bsin(4x) + .28125x-.0703125e^(4x)

Then solving it like an initial value problem but the computer won't take my answer. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Your general solution for the equation is correct. The particular solution is not. Try again with my suggestion. If you cannot get the correct answer, come back and please show your work.
 
This is homework for my calc 2 class, which is evaluated by typing in my answers on a website. Once I type in an answer and get it correct it clears my answer and gives the "correct" answer in decimal form. So that is why it is in decimal form.


HallsofIvy said:
This does NOT satisfy the differential equation! Without even doing any calculations I can see that the second derivative is a constant times e^(4x) so even after adding 16y you can NOT get "xe^(4x)". Try a particular solution of the form (Cx+ D)e^(4x).

After figuring out the particular solution and getting it correct I then recopied it off the computer screen on the next page, but copied it wrong.

yp(x)= (0.28125*x+(-0.0703125))*exp(4*x)

Is the correct particular solution. I got it right, then re-copied it in decimal form wrong :eek:. Turns out that's all I did wrong and I got the correct answer. Thanks for pointing that out, Ivy.
 

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