Second order reaction, conversion in a CSTR

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the conversion of a second-order reaction in a Continuous Stirred Tank Reactor (CSTR). Participants explore the relationships between concentration, reaction rate, and residence time, while attempting to derive the conversion from given parameters.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial problem and attempts to calculate conversion using given equations but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach due to missing parameters like volume and flow rate.
  • Another participant suggests setting up a differential equation for concentration to solve the problem, indicating that the conversion should be 0.43.
  • A later reply confirms the use of the differential equation and calculates a concentration value after 11 minutes, but disputes the conversion value of 0.43.
  • Further contributions clarify that only the ratio of volume to flow rate is necessary for the calculations, implying that the mean residence time is sufficient for determining conversion.
  • One participant calculates the conversion as 0.57 based on the output concentration and expresses confidence in this result.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mass balance equation and derives a quadratic equation for conversion, concluding that the conversion is 0.43.
  • Apologies are exchanged for previous misunderstandings, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct conversion value, with some asserting it is 0.57 and others supporting a value of 0.43. The discussion remains unresolved as both viewpoints are presented without consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on assumptions about reactor design and the need for specific parameters, such as flow rate and volume, which are not provided. The calculations and interpretations of the equations are also subject to varying interpretations among participants.

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Homework Statement


We have a second order reaction: A + B → C + D with -rA = k[A][ B]
[A]0 = [ B]0 = 300 mol / m3; τ = 11 minutes.
k = 4.0 × 10-4 m3 / (mol × minutes)

What is the conversion in a CSTR?

Homework Equations


I think:

τ = ([A]0 - [A]1) / -rA,1

τ = (XA × [A]0) / -rA,1

But since I don't know the conversion, I don't know the concentrations at the CSTR output. And because I don't have a volume or flow rate I don't know how to proceed.

The Attempt at a Solution


1 / [A] = 1 / [A]0 + kt

1 / [A] = 1 / 300 + 4.0×10-4×11
1 / [A] = 0.0077333

[A] = [ B] = 129.3 mol

-rA = 4.0 × 10-4 × 129.32
-rA = 6.688

Rearranging the second formula in the relevant equations for X gives:

XA = (-rA,1 × τ) / [A]0

XA = (6.688 × 11) / 300

XA = 0.25

But the answer should be 0.43 and I don't know how to get there.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hello Michel, :welcome:

You have to sort out your equations a little better. These really won't do; the dimensions don't fit.

Set up a differential equation for [A] (or ) and solve it. The 0.43 is correct.

[edit]sorry, bad response. The 129.3 is correct. So: what is the conversion ?
 
MichelV said:
1 / [A] = 1 / [A]0 + kt
Is the solution of the differential equation I mentioned. (It's good to check how this was deducted!) In your exercise, t = ##\tau## and so you can calculate [A] = 0.007733 mol / m3 after 11 min. And the conversion (it is not 0.43).
 
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MichelV said:
And because I don't have a volume or flow rate I don't know how to proceed.
You only need their ratio, ##\tau##.
 
BvU said:
Is the solution of the differential equation I mentioned. (It's good to check how this was deducted!) In your exercise, t = ##\tau## and so you can calculate [A] = 0.007733 mol / m3 after 11 min. And the conversion (it is not 0.43).

Thank you for the help. I've looked at the differential equation and it makes much more sense now.

If we know that [A] = 129,3 mol / m3 at the output of the CSTR and we know that X = 1 - ([A] / [A]0) this means that:

X = 1 - (129.3 / 300) = 0.57

So the conversion for this reaction in a CSTR is 57%.

I believe this should be the correct answer.
 
##\tau## is supposed to be the mean residence time in the CSTR. If F is the feed rate, then the steady state mass balance on the reactor is $$F(A_{in}-A_{out})=-rV$$ where V is the volume of liquid in the reactor and $$r=kA_{out} B_{out}$$So, $$(A_{in}-A_{out})=-k\tau A_{out} B_{out}$$where ##\tau=V/F##. If X represents the number of moles of A (per unit volume) converted, then $$A_{out}=A_{in}-X$$and $$B_{out}=B_{in}-X$$So, combining these equations, we get: $$k\tau(A_{in}-X)(B_{in}-X)=X$$
Solve this quadratic equation for X.

This gives a 43% conversion.
 
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Chestermiller said:
##\tau## is supposed to be the mean residence time in the CSTR. If F is the feed rate, then the steady state mass balance on the reactor is $$F(A_{in}-A_{out})=-rV$$ where V is the volume of liquid in the reactor and $$r=kA_{out} B_{out}$$So, $$(A_{in}-A_{out})=-k\tau A_{out} B_{out}$$where ##\tau=V/F##. If X represents the number of moles of A (per unit volume) converted, then $$A_{out}=A_{in}-X$$and $$B_{out}=B_{in}-X$$So, combining these equations, we get: $$k\tau(A_{in}-X)(B_{in}-X)=X$$
Solve this quadratic equation for X.

This gives a 43% conversion.

Thank you for the clear explanation! I got it now.
 
My apologies for leading you astray. Too quick to respond and too slow thinking. Thanks Chet !
 

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