Seeking a phase angle operator for the QHO

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a phase angle operator for the quantum harmonic oscillator (QHO). Participants explore the application of classical mechanics principles to quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to angular momentum and phase angles.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites Daniel Gillespie's work, suggesting that classical observables can be represented as quantum operators by substituting position and momentum with their quantum counterparts.
  • The participant proposes the possibility of creating a quantum phase angle operator by replacing classical variables in the phase angle formula with quantum operators.
  • Another participant notes a derived Poisson bracket relation between the energy of the classical harmonic oscillator and the phase angle, questioning its connection to the photon number-angle phase uncertainty relation.
  • A link to a relevant paper is shared, which may provide additional insights into the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express curiosity and propose ideas, but there is no consensus on the feasibility of creating a quantum phase angle operator or the implications of the Poisson bracket relation. The discussion remains exploratory and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully established the assumptions or definitions necessary for the proposed quantum phase angle operator, nor have they resolved the implications of the Poisson bracket in relation to quantum mechanics.

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According to Daniel Gillespie in A Quantum Mechanics Primer (1970),

" . . . any observable which in classical mechanics is some well behaved function of position and momentum, f(x,p), is represented in quantum mechanics by the operator f ( \hat{x} , \hat {p} ). That is,

<br /> <br /> a = f (x,p) . . . implies . . . \hat{a} = f ( \hat{x} , \hat {p} ) = f ( x , -i \hbar \frac {d}{dx}) .&quot;<br /> <br />

Apparently this works for finding the angular momentum operators, for example in classical mechanics

<br /> <br /> L_z = xp_y - yp_x<br /> <br />

and in quantum mechanics

<br /> <br /> \hat{L}_z = \hat{x} \hat{p_y}- \hat{y} \hat{p_x} =<br /> <br /> x(-i\hbar \frac {\partial}{\partial y}) - y(-i\hbar \frac {\partial}{\partial x} )= -i\hbar (x \frac {\partial}{\partial y} - y \frac {\partial}{\partial x})<br /> <br />

Now I am wondering if this idea can be applied to the harmonic oscillator. Specifically, since phase angle

<br /> <br /> \theta = arc tan ( \frac {p}{ x \sqrt {km} } )<br /> <br />

(1) can I make a quantum phase angle operator by replacing the p and x above with their corresponding quantum operators?

and

(2) what are the phase angle eigenvalues for a QHO?

Thanks.
 
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a bump and a follow-up:

Last night I worked out that for the classical harmonic oscillator, if we define

<br /> <br /> N=H/ \hbar \omega<br /> <br />

then the Poisson bracket between N and phase angle \theta is 2 / \omega.

Is there any connection between this and the photon number - angle phase uncertainly relation?
 
Thanks AndresB, looks very interesting. Will try to take it in this weekend when I have a few free minutes.
 

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