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The discussion centers on the movement of a weight down a ramp that is also mobile, focusing on the center of mass (COM) of the combined system. It emphasizes that the COM does not change position due to the absence of horizontal external forces acting on the system. The participants explore the implications of forces acting on the ramp, including normal forces and friction, while considering conservation laws. They conclude that the horizontal component of the COM remains constant despite the weight's movement down the ramp. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding physical laws like conservation of momentum and energy in analyzing such systems.
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Basically a weight moves from starting point on a ramp down to the bottom of the ramp. The ramp is on wheels so the ramp will also move. The formula is based on the center of mass of the combined object. Center of mass does not move.
XA0 = position of small mass before it slides down ramp
XB0 = position of COM of ramp before box slides
XA,XB= new position after box slides

$$X_{A0}M1+X_{B0}M2 = X_{COM}(M1+M2)\\
X_{A}M1+X_{B}M2 = X_{COM}(M1+M2)\\
X_{A0}M1+X_{B0}M2 = X_{A}M1+X_{B}M2$$

My question is where does this come from? Assuming I did not know this through repetition that the COM would not move... what physical laws would you apply to come to this conclusion?

If the box is sitting on the ramp, there should be a force normal to the ramp as M1gSin(theta). Isn't this the force on the ramp whether the mass is moving or not? If the ramp is not moving before the box moves that means friction between the ramp and floor is holding it in place. So... that will still be canceled out whether the box is moving or not. Where does this center of mass formula come from??
 
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You can do a free body diagram. It's not a closed system because you have gravity pulling down, and the ramp is being supported by the ground which provides an upward normal force. But you can see that gravity and the normal force are completely vertical. There is no horizontal component to the external force on the system, so there is no change in the horizontal component of the center of mass.
 
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