Self-Dual Gravity and self-dual Yang Mills

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The discussion revolves around the concept of self-dual gravity and its relationship to self-dual Yang-Mills theory, as presented in a recent paper by Kirill Krasnov. Participants explore the theoretical implications, mathematical properties, and potential applications of self-dual gravity, including its comparison to self-dual Yang-Mills and its place within the broader context of quantum gravity theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that self-dual gravity is described as a diffeomorphism invariant theory in four dimensions, which has two propagating polarizations of the graviton and a negative mass dimension coupling constant.
  • Others highlight that self-dual gravity is claimed to be analogous to self-dual Yang-Mills and is presented as the only native 4-dimensional gravity theory that is quantum finite.
  • One participant points out that the paper suggests self-dual gravity should be referred to as anti-self-dual gravity, as it involves setting the self-dual part of the Weyl tensor to zero, which leads to implications about its applicability to the real world.
  • There is a question raised about what additional components might be necessary to describe real gravity if self-dual gravity alone is insufficient.
  • Another participant mentions that according to Herfray and Krasnov, a quadratic term from "topological gravity" could be that additional component.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications and applicability of self-dual gravity, particularly regarding its characterization as anti-self-dual gravity and its potential limitations in describing real-world gravity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity and nature of any additional components needed for a complete theory.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of self-dual gravity in realistic scenarios, particularly its dependence on the properties of the Weyl tensor and the implications of setting certain components to zero.

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this paper came out today

https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.01457
Self-Dual Gravity
Kirill Krasnov
(Submitted on 5 Oct 2016)
Self-dual gravity is a diffeomorphism invariant theory in four dimensions that describes two propagating polarisations of the graviton and has a negative mass dimension coupling constant. Nevertheless, this theory is not only renormalisable but quantum finite, as we explain. We also collect various facts about self-dual gravity that are scattered across the literature.

there is also an extensive literature on self-dual loop quantum gravity, when y=i

the paper states self-dual gravity, but makes no mention of self-dual loop quantum gravity, claims self-dual gravity is analogous to self-dual yang mills, and is finite as is the only native 4-d gravity whose quantum version in pure gravity that is finite

says string theory could be finite in 4d with compactification but also predicts infinite number of fields.

self-dual also has connections with penrose twistor theory.

what is current evaluation of self dual gravity and why does it get so little mention? krasnov claims it is finite quantum version in 4 d.

what is current evaluation of self-dual yang mills and can the SM be rewritten in a self-dual yang mills theory?
 
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According to the paper: "self-dual gravity" should be called anti-self-dual gravity. It is what you get, if you take the Weyl tensor component of space-time curvature, divide it into self-dual and anti-self-dual parts, and set the self-dual part to zero. In a realistic world of three space and one time dimensions, this guarantees that the other part must be zero too, so by itself it cannot describe the real world. It's interesting because of its mathematical properties, and the possibility that real gravity could be described by self-dual gravity plus something extra.
 
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mitchell porter said:
According to the paper: "self-dual gravity" should be called anti-self-dual gravity. It is what you get, if you take the Weyl tensor component of space-time curvature, divide it into self-dual and anti-self-dual parts, and set the self-dual part to zero. In a realistic world of three space and one time dimensions, this guarantees that the other part must be zero too, so by itself it cannot describe the real world. It's interesting because of its mathematical properties, and the possibility that real gravity could be described by self-dual gravity plus something extra.

what would be that something extra?
 
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what would be that something extra?
According to Herfray and Krasnov, the quadratic term from "topological gravity".
 
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