It is if you make a hobby out of it. (Of course, most people who go with the "not collecting stamps" course of action do not pursue it as a hobby; they just do it as a matter of course)So "not collecting stamps" is a hobby after all!
Er... I didn't realize anyone here couldn't accept that some people don't believe in deities.I don't understand why some people can't accept that some people simply do not believe in deities.
No. And In addition, I disbeleieve in their existence. However, I really shouldn't -- I should simply fail to believe either way.Do you believes in elves?
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why it's a bad idea to try and co-opt the word "atheism" -- a word meaning a disbelief in the existence of deity, or meaning the doctrine that there is no deity (m-w) -- to describe the position that lacks belief in both hypothesis: that deities do not exist, and that deities exist. It leads to stupid mix-ups like this.Yikes! You don't go about practicing atheism as an active undertaking. You essentially "practice" it by not accepting stories that haven't been carefully verified. You also don't have to write or buy any books titled "god doesn't exist".
The Constitution said:Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Yes. I'm not sure what exactly MW means when they say atheism is A "or" B, when A and B are not synonymous with each other. In this case, I believe their definition A covers all atheists, while definition B covers a large subset of that group. (Going by A) MW says that an atheist disbelieves in the existence of a deity, while (it seems to me like) you say that an atheist must believe in the non-existence of a deity.Did you see my previous post?
Those are the same. Disbelief does not mean "lack of belief" -- it means(Going by A) MW says that an atheist disbelieves in the existence of a deity, while (it seems to me like) you say that an atheist must believe in the non-existence of a deity.
I used disbelief in the sense of a rejection of belief rather than just a lack of belief. But again, (and it seems MW too is either being redundant or is over-reaching) rejecting the truth of a story is not the same as holding that it is untrue.Those are the same. Disbelief does not mean "lack of belief" -- it means
mental rejection of something as untrue (m-w)which is how I've been using it. (Although m-w's definition for "disbelieving" looks more like what you're thinking. In any case, I used 'disbelief' as I said above)
Somewhat! Pushing back to the original topic, it's clear (to me) that both wildman and OrbitalPower (posts #3 and #4) were talking about atheism as the 'doctrine that deities don't exist', otherwise their worries don't make sense. I don't see a clear indicator about how drankin intended his poll. Obviously, the two questionsGosh, I'm really derailing this thread now, aren't I?
I certainly agree. But I can imagine other positions for which the difference would be relevant.But I think most of this is irrelevant. It would be equally unconstitutional to exclude theists from public office in favor of atheists or agnostics, wouldn't it?
Please read the past two pages of the thread. :grumpy:Atheism is not a cause, principle or system of beliefs. It is not held to by faith either.