Sequence (a_n)^2 ->0 implies (a_n) ->0 ?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the convergence of a sequence and its square, specifically whether the condition that \( a_n^2 \to 0 \) as \( n \to \infty \) implies \( a_n \to 0 \) as \( n \to \infty \), and vice versa. The subject area is real analysis, focusing on sequences and limits.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of convergence for sequences and their squares, questioning the continuity of functions involved and the implications of one-sided continuity. There is a discussion about the validity of using epsilon-delta arguments in this context.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the implications of continuity and exploring the nuances of epsilon-delta proofs. Some participants express uncertainty about the continuity of the square root function at zero and its relevance to the original statements.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of continuity and convergence, particularly in relation to the definitions of limits and the implications of the epsilon-delta framework. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of assumptions in the proofs being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Let an be an infinite sequence.

1) Is it true that an2 ->0 as n->∞
=> an ->0 as n->∞ ?

2) Is it also true that an ->0 as n->∞
=> an2 ->0 as n->∞ ?

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N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


Both SEEM to be true to me, but I am not sure why. What is the simplest way to explain these? I want to understand intuitively.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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Saying that [itex]a_n\to 0[/itex] means that, given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist N such that if n> N, [itex]|a_n- 0|= |a_n|< \epsilon[/itex].

Saying that [itex]a_n^2\to 0[/itex] means that, given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist N such that if n> N, [itex]|a_n^2- 0|= |a_n^2|< \epsilon[/itex].

If you know that [itex]a_n\to 0[/itex] then, given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist N such that if n> N, [itex]|a_n|< \sqrt{\epsilon}[/itex]. From that it follows that, for n> N, [itex]|a_n^2|< \epsilon[/itex].

Conversely, if you know that [itxex]a_n^2\to 0[/itex] then, given any [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex], there exist N such that if n> N, [itex]|a_n^2|< \epsilon^2[/itex]. From that it follows that, for n> N, [itex]|a_n|< \epsilon[/itex].

More generally, if [itex]a_n\to a[/itex] and f(x) is continuous in some neighborhood of a, then [itex]f(a_n)\to f(a)[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
More generally, if [itex]a_n\to a[/itex] and f(x) is continuous in some neighborhood of a, then [itex]f(a_n)\to f(a)[/itex].

Thanks! But I have a question, then.
an2 ->0 as n->∞
=> an ->0 as n->∞

But the square root function is NOT continuous at 0, and it's definitely NOT continuous in a neighbourhood of 0, so the theorem does not apply??
It's weird...
 
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Halls said 'more generally'. sqrt is one-sided continuous at 0, from the positive side. If you don't have special theorems about one sided continuity, then just pay attention to his suggestions about an epsilon delta proof. Isn't that what you meant about "SEEM to be true"?
 
I have a question about the proof.

Saying that [itex]a_n\to 0[/itex] means that, given ANY [itex]\epsilon> 0[/itex] there exist N such that if n> N, [itex]|a_n- 0|= |a_n|< \epsilon[/itex].

Because of the word "ANY", we can take epsilon here to be [itex]\sqrt{\epsilon}[/itex], and there would still exist some N, right?
 
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You can if you know as epsilon approaches zero, sqrt(epsilon) approaches zero. If you are ok with that, go for it.
 
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