Set of vector which are solution to 2 homogeneous systems

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The discussion revolves around finding the set of vectors that are solutions to two homogeneous systems, S1 and S2. Participants explore concepts related to vector spaces, specifically the intersection of solution sets and the properties of spans in linear algebra.

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  • One participant presents two homogeneous systems, S1 and S2, and their respective null spaces.
  • Another participant clarifies that the set of vectors that are solutions to both S1 and S2 is the intersection of the two sets, not the direct sum.
  • It is noted that while [-2, 1, 0] is a common solution in both sets, the other vectors, [-1, 0, 1] and [-3, 0, 1], are not multiples of each other.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the intersection and suggests that the span of the common vector might represent the intersection.
  • A later reply confirms the participant's understanding that the intersection is indeed represented by the span of the vector [-2, 1, 0].

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Participants generally agree on the concept of intersection of solution sets, but there is some initial confusion regarding the distinction between intersection and direct sum. The discussion reflects a process of clarification rather than a definitive conclusion.

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There is an implicit assumption that the vectors discussed are in a vector space over the same field, and the discussion does not address potential limitations or dependencies on specific definitions of span or intersection.

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Readers interested in linear algebra, particularly those studying vector spaces, homogeneous systems, and the properties of spans and intersections in mathematical contexts.

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hi guys,
I have two homogeneous systems S1 and S2. The solution for
NS(S1) = {[-2,1,0], [-1,0,1]},
NS(S2) = {[-2,1,0], [-3,0,1]}.

I know that in a system if u and v are vectors, the sum of u+v is also a solution in the homogeneous system. i.e. S1=span{[-2,1,0], [-1,0,1]} then [-2,1,0] + [-1,0,1] is also a solution in that system (close under addition if I am correct).

But what about if I want to find the set of vectors which are solution to both S1 and S2? Do I use the same methods to it?
i.e. Solution = span {[-2,1,0]+[-2,1,0] ; [-1,0,1]+[-3,0,1]}

I think this is wrong, but I'm not sure how
 
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You say you want "the set of vectors which are solution to both S1 and S2". That is the intersection of the two sets, vectors that are in both. It is NOT the "direct sum" which is what you have. What you have is the set of vectors that solve either S1 or S2, not both.

Actually, for this problem, the solution is simple: notice that [-2, 1, 0] is in both sets. And the other two vectors, [-1, 0, 1] and [-3, 0, 1] are not multiples of each other.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You say you want "the set of vectors which are solution to both S1 and S2". That is the intersection of the two sets, vectors that are in both. It is NOT the "direct sum" which is what you have. What you have is the set of vectors that solve either S1 or S2, not both.

Actually, for this problem, the solution is simple: notice that [-2, 1, 0] is in both sets. And the other two vectors, [-1, 0, 1] and [-3, 0, 1] are not multiples of each other.

Oh! So I would be right if I were to solve for S1 OR S2 only?

Arr! I think I might be hooking onto something here, so it should be span{[-2, 1, 0]}. This is where both systems intersects at this line. Right?
 
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Yes! That is exactly right.
 
thanks!
 

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