Set theory cardinality question

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether any infinite set can be expressed as the union of disjoint countable sets. Participants explore various approaches and proofs related to set theory, particularly focusing on cardinality and the properties of infinite sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a detailed proof that any infinite set can be represented as a union of disjoint countable sets.
  • Another participant proposes a construction using a function from ordinals to disjoint countably infinite subsets of the infinite set, relying on the Axiom of Choice.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that any set can be viewed as a union of singletons, which are countable, thus supporting the claim.
  • One participant emphasizes that regardless of how countable sets are constructed, the union must consist of an uncountable number of those sets.
  • Another participant argues that countable sets cannot be expressed as an uncountable union of disjoint countable sets, assuming countable refers to countably infinite or non-empty sets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of unions of countable sets and whether an infinite set can be represented as such. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on the Axiom of Choice and the definitions of countable versus uncountable sets, which may not be universally agreed upon in the discussion.

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Can anyone please give a really explicit proof (omitting no steps) and with as simple words as possible that any infinite set can be writtern as the union of disjoint countable sets?

Thank you.
 
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How about something like this:

Every infinite set X has a countable subset (this is a theorem of ZFC). We'll construct a function f from an initial set of ordinals to disjoint countably infinite subsets of X such that X its range. Let f(0) be any countably infinite subset of X = X_0. Then define X_{i+1} = X_i \setminus f(i), X_i = \displaystyle{ \cap_{j<i} X_j} for a limit ordinal i and let f(i) is a countably infinite subset of X_i (the possibility of making these choices collectively relies on the Axiom of Choice). The sequence must eventually end with a null set - otherwise, the set X would be larger than all cardinals.
 
Well, any set is a union of singletons containing exactly one element from the set. A union of all these singletons (which are finite thus countable) gives you that set.
 
I mention only that however the countable sets are constructed, the union must consist of an uncountable number of those sets.

--Elucidus
 
Well, obviously, countable sets cannot be expressed as an uncountable union of disjoint countable sets (assuming by countable you mean countably infinite, or at least non-empty).
 

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