Setting up the correct limit for an area (double) integral

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The discussion revolves around determining the correct limits for a double integral to find the area between the curves defined by the equations y = x² and y = x³ for non-negative x values. Participants explore the setup of the integral, particularly the limits for both y and x, and the implications of the order of the functions in the specified interval.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the upper limit for x, suggesting that the limits for y should be from x² to x³, but is uncertain about the correct upper limit for x.
  • Another participant suggests finding the points of intersection of the two curves to determine the limits for x, proposing that the area can be calculated by integrating the difference between the functions over the interval defined by these points.
  • A participant raises a concern regarding the integration limits, noting that in the interval from 0 to 1, x² is greater than x³, leading to a negative area if the integral is set up incorrectly. They propose two potential methods to resolve this issue: taking the absolute value of the result or reversing the limits of integration.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the limits and emphasizes that the limits should be numerical values representing the intersection points, rather than the functions themselves.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to setting up the integral, with multiple competing views on how to handle the limits of integration and the implications of the order of the functions.

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The discussion highlights the importance of correctly identifying the points of intersection and the order of the functions when setting up integrals, which remains unresolved in terms of specific mathematical steps or assumptions.

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I'm confused regarding the limits required for the following question:

Find the area in the plane between the graphs of y = x2 and y = x3 for x non-negative.

The limit for y would be from x^2 to x^3 but what about x? It's lower bound would be zero but as for the upper bound I have no idea. The answer of the above question comes out to be 1/12. Help?
 
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hivesaeed4 said:
I'm confused regarding the limits required for the following question:

Find the area in the plane between the graphs of y = x2 and y = x3 for x non-negative.

The limit for y would be from x^2 to x^3 but what about x? It's lower bound would be zero but as for the upper bound I have no idea. The answer of the above question comes out to be 1/12. Help?


You need to answe to

1) Where do the graphs of [itex]x^2\,,\,\,x^3\,\,,\,\,x\geq 0[/itex] meet?

2) What function's graph is over the other's in the interval between both points of intersection you found in (1)?

3) Now do the integral between both x-coordinates of the intersection points of the function above minus the function below, dx, and that's the area you're looking for.

DonAntonio
 
Thanks for the reply Don.
Now I just have another question. When we set up the integral, obviously we take the xlimits as x^2 to x^3 as generally x^3 is bigger then x^2. However in this case where we are to integrate from 0 to 1 this generalization fails us as x^2 is bigger than x^3. Now the question is that if we still integrate from x^2 to x^3 the area comes out to be -1/12 whch is plain wrong. We can do either one of the following two options:

1) Just take the absolute value of -1/12 and present 1/12 as our answer.

2) Or we set up our integral again from x^3 to x^2 in light that x^2 is bigger than x^3 and the answer is 1/12 which is correct.

Which path do we take or are both methods correct?
 
hivesaeed4 said:
Thanks for the reply Don.
Now I just have another question. When we set up the integral, obviously we take the xlimits as x^2 to x^3 as generally x^3 is bigger then x^2. However in this case where we are to integrate from 0 to 1 this generalization fails us as x^2 is bigger than x^3. Now the question is that if we still integrate from x^2 to x^3 the area comes out to be -1/12 whch is plain wrong. We can do either one of the following two options:

1) Just take the absolute value of -1/12 and present 1/12 as our answer.

2) Or we set up our integral again from x^3 to x^2 in light that x^2 is bigger than x^3 and the answer is 1/12 which is correct.

Which path do we take or are both methods correct?



I'm not completely sure what you mean by "...take the x-limits as x^2, x^3", or "integrate from x^2 to x^3" ...??

The limits are exactly what I told you in my first post (i.e., they are numbers!) of the difference [itex](x^2-x^3)\,dx[/itex] since, as you correctly

stated, in the unit interval the parabola's graph is above the cubic's.

DonAntonio
 

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