Shape of the Universe: Flat or Curved?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between gravity and the shape of the universe, questioning whether a flat universe can exist if general relativity (GR) suggests gravity arises from curvature. It is noted that gravity is not merely an attractive force but a result of traveling along curved spacetime. Observations of cosmic microwave background hot spots indicate a flat universe, yet massive objects create local curvature, akin to marbles creating dimples on a flat rubber sheet. This local curvature can be observed through effects like gravitational lensing. Ultimately, the universe can be considered flat overall while still exhibiting localized curvature due to massive objects.
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I'm not overly familiar with GR, but I have heard that gravity is basically a result of the curvature of space. Its not an attractive force so much as its a consequence of traveling on a curved surface. But I've also read that observing cosmic microwave background hot spots leads to a flat universe. So can the universe be flat, if GR claims gravity needs curves?
 
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moonman said:
Its not an attractive force so much as its a consequence of traveling on a curved surface.

Tomato, tomawto.


But I've also read that observing cosmic microwave background hot spots leads to a flat universe. So can the universe be flat, if GR claims gravity needs curves?

I think this was covered by someone else in another thread recently, but the basic idea is that massive objects are like little "dimples" in spacetime, despite its overall flatness. Imagine a large, flat rubber sheet with a few marbles resting on the surface. The marbles make an impression locally, but the overall sheet is flat. In the real world, the small-scale curvature due to gravitationally bound objects can be demonstrated with phenomena like gravitational lensing.
 
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