Shear stress at different points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of shear stress at different points in a beam, particularly focusing on the application of the shear flow formula and the areas considered in these calculations. Participants are examining specific cases related to homework problems involving shear stress and the geometry of the beam.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the calculation of Q=(Ay) and the areas considered in the shear flow formula.
  • Another participant points out an error in unit conversion from inches to mm and agrees with the book's solution, suggesting that the full area above point B should be used for calculating Q, divided by 2 due to the presence of two webs.
  • There is a contention regarding the inclusion of a specific red area in the calculations, with one participant arguing it should not be included because the horizontal nail acts at point C, while another participant asserts that the full area of the upper flange should be used regardless of the presence of nails.
  • A later reply elaborates that the shear stress calculation should consider the entire flange area, regardless of nail placement, as long as there is no slippage.
  • Participants discuss the differences in calculations at points B and C, noting that the upper middle flange's behavior affects the area used in Q calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the inclusion of the red area in the calculations, with differing views on how to apply the shear flow formula based on the geometry and constraints of the beam. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the areas involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings related to unit conversions and the definitions of areas in the context of shear stress calculations. There are unresolved assumptions about the behavior of the beam and the role of nails in the shear stress distribution.

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Homework Statement


In this notes , i don't understand how the Q=(Ay) of the is considered ...

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I think the both Q at part C and part B should be = (60)(15)(mm^2) ... i have redrawn the structure , i am not sure whether it is correct or not...
From the definition of shear flow , A is the cross section area of segment that is connected to the beam at juncture where the shear flow is calculated . [/B]
 

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You changed dimensions from inches to mm incorrectly, but anyway, book solution looks good. At B you find the vert shear stress and complimentary longitudinal shear stress is into the page and they the plane of the nail so you use the full area above b for calculating Q then divide by 2 since there are 2 webs.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
You changed dimensions from inches to mm incorrectly, but anyway, book solution looks good. At B you find the vert shear stress and complimentary longitudinal shear stress is into the page and they the plane of the nail so you use the full area above b for calculating Q then divide by 2 since there are 2 webs.
ok , why in the author's working , the red area is included ? I think the red area is not included because the horizontal nail is acting at C , so , according to the formula , the A ' is the area is the area that is connceted to the beam at the juncture , so , i think that the red part is not included
 

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fonseh said:
ok , why in the author's working , the red area is included ? I think the red area is not included because the horizontal nail is acting at C , so , according to the formula , the A ' is the area is the area that is connceted to the beam at the juncture , so , i think that the red part is not included
I understand your reasoning, but it is incorrect. Suppose the beam was a solid hollow box, no nails whatsoever, and you wanted to determine the shear stress in the web at b. You would use the full area of the upper flange (7.5 inch width) in calculating Q, and in calculating t, that would be twice the web thickness because there are 2 webs. The entire flange tends to try to slip longitudinally off the webs. It makes no difference to the beam whether it is nailed vertically or horizontally or not at all, as long as there is no slippage, either the nails or the solid wood without nails takes the shear.

It's a bit different at C, because now the upper middle flange tends to slip longitudinally off the webs, so you use hat 4.5 inch width in the Q calcs. Note that the horizontal nails do 't have to be spaced as close as the vert nails, because they carry less stress.
 

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