Should Engineers Prioritize Learning Proofs in Their Education?

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The discussion revolves around whether engineers should prioritize learning mathematical proofs in their education. Participants explore the relevance of proofs versus practical applications of mathematical concepts, particularly in the context of engineering curricula.

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  • Some participants argue that engineers should not focus on proofs and instead concentrate on applying concepts and equations, suggesting that proofs are more relevant to mathematicians and physicists.
  • Others emphasize the importance of understanding the origins of concepts, indicating that while rigorous proofs may not be necessary, a solid intuitive grasp is beneficial for engineers.
  • A participant notes the distinction between 'proofs' and 'derivations', suggesting that while derivations are common in engineering, formal proofs are less so.
  • Some educators assert that their engineering students are required to prove basic concepts in courses like linear algebra and differential equations, indicating that proofs can have a place in engineering education.

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Participants generally disagree on the necessity of proofs in engineering education, with some advocating for their exclusion and others supporting their inclusion in certain contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall importance of proofs for engineers.

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There is a lack of consensus on what constitutes essential knowledge for engineers, particularly regarding the balance between proofs and practical applications. The discussion reflects varying educational experiences and curricular structures across different institutions.

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Engineering students, educators in engineering and mathematics, and professionals interested in the educational approaches within STEM fields may find this discussion relevant.

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I don't know where to fit this question, but here goes. As an engineer should I be concerned a lot (or some) about proofs? Sure I know certain basic proofs anyone involved in math should know however, I have come across certain advanced proofs such as why certain methods of solving differential equations work... I'd like not to limit the discussion on those types of proofs alone. But in general should I really be concerned about learning them?

Thanks in advanced
 
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Nope, as an engineer do not worry about proofs at all and instead concentrate on how to apply the concepts and equations. Just make sure you only take the math for engineers (our university has a separate department called applied math). Leave the proofs for the mathematicians and physicists ;)
 
inno87 said:
Nope, as an engineer do not worry about proofs at all and instead concentrate on how to apply the concepts and equations. Just make sure you only take the math for engineers (our university has a separate department called applied math). Leave the proofs for the mathematicians and physicists ;)

I'm sorry, but what are you basing this assessment on?
 
My years as an engineering major. Proofs were non-existent for me as long as I took the correct applied math courses. Only class I saw proofs in was this linear algebra class offered by the math department class and I quickly dropped it by the second day to switch into applied linear algebra with no sight of proofs.
 
inno87 said:
My years as an engineering major. Proofs were non-existent for me as long as I took the correct applied math courses. Only class I saw proofs in was this linear algebra class offered by the math department class and I quickly dropped it by the second day to switch into applied linear algebra with no sight of proofs.

Perhaps I should be careful in not confusing the word 'proofs' with 'derivations'. There are lots of 'derivations' of formulas one has to do as an engineer (we had to in our classes). But that is not 'as formal' as a mathematical proof. But in the math courses I took (math for engineers) we had to prove things.
 
A good engineer would know where things come from, and a rough intuitive picture that allows him to see what is right and what is wrong, but I don't think engineers need to concern themselves with rigorous mathematical proofs and axiomatic systems.
 
Thanks for the detailed replies guys. I see, so derivations important, however, proofs are left to the mathematicians. Thanks.
 
My students in "Advanced Engineering Mathematics" were required to prove things. Not the Hahn-Banach theorem, of course, but basic things in linear algebra and differential equations.
 
zhentil said:
My students in "Advanced Engineering Mathematics" were required to prove things. Not the Hahn-Banach theorem, of course, but basic things in linear algebra and differential equations.

Ok thanks for the heads up, I'll be taking that class this Fall.
 

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