Should I major in this program? Pros and cons....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision to pursue a double degree program in Physics and Electrical Engineering at the University of Ottawa. Participants explore the program's reputation, potential career paths, and the feasibility of managing the course load, as well as the implications of pursuing graduate studies.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the double degree may prepare the student for graduate school in either field or for a career as an electrical engineer.
  • Others question the necessity of spending additional years for two bachelor's degrees, proposing that a single degree followed by a master's or PhD might be more efficient.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of considering personal career goals when evaluating the program, asking where the student sees themselves in six years.
  • Some express that a BS in Electrical Engineering followed by an MS in the same field could be a more advantageous path for entering the workforce.
  • Concerns are raised about the allure of the double degree program, with suggestions to explore other combined BS/MS programs that may be available.
  • One participant notes that the University of Ottawa has a good reputation, but highlights that many institutions offer similar programs.
  • Another participant mentions the competitive nature of job markets and the importance of advanced degrees, particularly in Silicon Valley, where an MS is seen as the entry-level qualification for hardware engineers.
  • The original poster expresses a desire to stand out and pursue a challenging educational path, while also considering the financial implications of studying in the U.S. versus Canada.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of the double degree program. There are competing views on the best educational path, with some advocating for the double degree while others recommend a more traditional route of obtaining a single degree followed by a master's.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the long-term benefits of the double degree versus traditional pathways, as well as the financial considerations of studying in Canada versus the U.S. Limitations include the lack of specific information on job outcomes and the varying definitions of what constitutes a successful educational path.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering a double degree in physics and engineering, those interested in graduate studies in STEM fields, and individuals evaluating the reputation and outcomes of university programs.

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Hello! So I've recently been accepted to the University of Ottawa in the program of: Honours Bachelor's of Science in Physics/Bachelor's of Applied Science in Electrical Engineering. It's a double degree program for 5-6 years.

I'm basically wondering if I should go to this university and this program. It is a new program and only one in Canada as far as I can tell. I'm in grade 12 and I've been wondering if the university has a good reputation, what jobs I can get, and whether doing this program is actually possible with the course load. In grade 12, I did okay in physics (86%), but I loved the class and how I could apply to to engineering and robotics. My knowledge mark was low, but my thinking, communication, and application were 94%+.

I'm also wondering if I'm cut out for physics; basically scared, yet excited. Can some if you help evaluate the program and the university. The course load link is below. If you could also tell me what jobs I may get, and if it's worth it. Thank you.

http://science.uottawa.ca/en/progra...-honours-physics-electrical-engineering-159cr
 
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If you did this you would be prepared to go to graduate school in physics or electrical engineering, or work as an electrical engineer.

let me ask you this: why would you want to spend one or two years beyond a standard 4 year program and end up with two BS degrees? It seems to me that if you're interested in physics graduate school, majoring in physics would be better because you would be 1/3 to 1/2 through a Ph.D program in Physics by the time you finished this program.

on the other side if you want to be an electrical engineer, in my opinion you would be better off getting a 4-year BS then an MS in electrical engineer.

Ask yourself this: where do you see yourself in 6 years?

If you're expecting to be working, I think a BS in EE and then an MS in EE would be a much better path.

If you're expecting to be in graduate school I think a BS in EE followed by a PhD in EE would be better. So would a BS in Physics followed by a PhD in Physics.

I don't really see the allure of this program.

For what it is worth University of Ottawa is a good school. That said, lots of schools offer combined BS/MS programs in EE that take 5 years. I would look into that if I were you.
 
analogdesign said:
If you did this you would be prepared to go to graduate school in physics or electrical engineering, or work as an electrical engineer.

let me ask you this: why would you want to spend one or two years beyond a standard 4 year program and end up with two BS degrees? It seems to me that if you're interested in physics graduate school, majoring in physics would be better because you would be 1/3 to 1/2 through a Ph.D program in Physics by the time you finished this program.

on the other side if you want to be an electrical engineer, in my opinion you would be better off getting a 4-year BS then an MS in electrical engineer.

Ask yourself this: where do you see yourself in 6 years?

If you're expecting to be working, I think a BS in EE and then an MS in EE would be a much better path.

If you're expecting to be in graduate school I think a BS in EE followed by a PhD in EE would be better. So would a BS in Physics followed by a PhD in Physics.

I don't really see the allure of this program.

For what it is worth University of Ottawa is a good school. That said, lots of schools offer combined BS/MS programs in EE that take 5 years. I would look into that if I were you.

Thank you. Okay, I will evaluate where I want to be in a couple of years. My dream would be to work for Tesla, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. Although, I wouldn't mind starting my own company. The thing is, I love learning and don't just want to stop after 4 years. I want a bit of a challenge and want to stand out. Plus, as you said, having a physics degree would open up paths to graduate school, which would always remain an option if I ever change my mind. Unfortunetly, in Canada I don't know of any programs that combine a BSc/MSc or a BASc/MASc.
 
All the companies you mentioned have their hardware R&D within 10 miles of each other in California (Tesla = Palo Alto, Google & Microsoft = Mountain View, Apple = Cupertino) so you should think about graduate school in the US as that would make it slightly easier to access those companies (although coming from Canada wouldn't be a problem either). There are a lot of EE MS programs that you can get done in 12 months or so. You should think about that.

Regardless of what you do, I would recommend you plan on at least an MS since you are the type that loves learning. The MS is pretty much the de facto entry-level degree for hardware engineers in Silicon Valley at this point.
 
analogdesign said:
All the companies you mentioned have their hardware R&D within 10 miles of each other in California (Tesla = Palo Alto, Google & Microsoft = Mountain View, Apple = Cupertino) so you should think about graduate school in the US as that would make it slightly easier to access those companies (although coming from Canada wouldn't be a problem either). There are a lot of EE MS programs that you can get done in 12 months or so. You should think about that.

Regardless of what you do, I would recommend you plan on at least an MS since you are the type that loves learning. The MS is pretty much the de facto entry-level degree for hardware engineers in Silicon Valley at this point.
Thanks for that information. Honestly, it's very hard to get a job and stand out nowadays since most people have degrees. I felt this program with allow me to stand out. I think since the course calendar for 5th year is less intensive, so I might be able to integrate my masters into it. The issue with American universities is that they are CRAZY expensive, so I'd actually prefer to stay in Canada because tuition would be about 14-16k for this program. Thanks a lot!
 

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