Should i take differential geometry?

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The discussion centers around whether a graduate student should take a semester-long differential geometry course instead of a thermodynamics/statistical mechanics course. Participants explore the implications of this decision on the student's preparation for general relativity (GR) and qualifiers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that taking the differential geometry class would provide a strong mathematical foundation that enhances understanding of linear algebra, topology, and analysis, which are beneficial for GR.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of taking an elective math course instead of a core physics course, emphasizing that GR will cover necessary Riemannian geometry but may not develop geometric intuition thoroughly.
  • Some participants express concern that differential geometry might be a time-consuming exercise with limited future application, while others argue it could be crucial for understanding GR.
  • A participant mentions that the choice may depend on whether the student intends to pursue further studies in mathematics or physics related to GR.
  • One response indicates that if the differential geometry course will help prepare the student for qualifiers, it may be worth taking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the importance of differential geometry versus thermodynamics/statistical mechanics, with no consensus on the best course of action. Some advocate for differential geometry, while others prioritize core physics courses.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the GR course may not provide extensive geometric intuition and that the differential geometry course typically covers local and global theory of curves and surfaces, which may not be strictly necessary for success in GR.

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Should I take a semester-long differential geometry course (in lieu of a thermo/stat mech course, which while not terribly challenging would prepare me for qualifiers, etc), or should I just jump into GR and maybe pick up a mathematical methods in physics course later? I first learned partial dif eqs in an advanced e&m course, will differential geometry and general relativity be a similar deal, or do I really need a solid foundation in it before starting?

To be more clear: I'm a grad student, differential geometry and thermo/stat mech are both mixed undergrad/grad courses. Thermo/stat mech is probably similar in content to a mixed undergrad/grad course I took a few years ago as an undergrad. I'm sure taking it again as a grad student would improve my stat mech, but I'm also a little hesitant to go through it with undergrads forcing us to cover everything I've already done before. On the other hand, I'm somewhat worried that either 1. differential geometry could turn into a time consuming exercise in mathematics that won't really be used ever again or 2. I will end up kind of screwed by not taking it. I will sit in on differential geometry tomorrow and see what I think of it.
 
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I'd recommend taking the differential geometry class. It was by far the best math class i took as part of my mathematics degree. The way it was tought made me really know linear algebra, topology as well as some analysis. As for jumping into GR it could be done, but the math is difficult and taking differential geometry would make it easier and give you a better understanding of where a lot of the math comes from.
 
dmoravec said:
i took as part of my mathematics degree.
I think the answer to the original question is whether you want to go on in the math or the physics of GR.
 
I'm not clear whether you're an undergrad or a grad student. I wouldn't take an elective math course in lieu of a core physics course like thermal physics, unless you mean you can pick it up another semester before graduating.

A GR course will introduce the necessary Riemannian geometry, but usually makes a beeline to the Riemann tensor, and doesn't have much time to develop geometric intuition. The usual undergraduate differential geometry course covers local and global theory of curves and surfaces in 3 dimensions, and maybe generalizes that to manifolds in n-dimensions if there's time. That will give you a lot of insight and intuition you might not get otherwise, but it's not absolutely necessary for doing well in GR. Maybe you can audit the course.
 
ia_ said:
Should I take a semester-long differential geometry course (in lieu of a thermo/stat mech course, which while not terribly challenging would prepare me for qualifiers, etc), or should I just jump into GR and maybe pick up a mathematical methods in physics course later? I first learned partial dif eqs in an advanced e&m course, will differential geometry and general relativity be a similar deal, or do I really need a solid foundation in it before starting?
i think that if the geometry course (in lieu) will prepare you for the qualifiers and that is what you need then i think you should take it.
 

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