Shouldn't a wire (coil) just store energy and not give it away?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of induced currents in a wire or coil, particularly focusing on the concepts of back electromotive force (emf) and the energy dynamics involved when an external current source is removed. Participants explore the implications of changing magnetic fields and the resulting induced currents, questioning the nature of energy storage and transfer in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when a current is applied, the changing magnetic field induces a back emf that opposes the applied current, but eventually, the magnetic field stabilizes, allowing current to flow.
  • Another participant challenges this reasoning, stating that a changing magnetic field produces an induced emf, which opposes the change in the magnetic field rather than the applied current.
  • A participant asserts that when the current stops, the collapsing magnetic field generates an emf that attempts to maintain the current flow, indicating that energy is stored in the magnetic field and subsequently delivered to the wire.
  • There is a repeated assertion that the generated emf during the collapse of the magnetic field does not oppose the collapse itself but rather supports the continuation of current flow.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between induced emf, current flow, and the behavior of magnetic fields. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these phenomena, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some statements made by participants contain assumptions about the nature of magnetic fields and induced currents that may not be universally accepted. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of electromagnetic principles without definitive conclusions.

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Hello, I was thinking about induced currents in a wire(coil). For example when a current from an external source passes through a wire - the changing magnetic field induces a current opposing the current applied (back emf) like a Newton's 3 law and nothing would ever pass through a wire, but the good part is that the magnetic field produces back emf only when the field is changing, which means that sooner or later there will be no change and no back emf. No back emf - current can flow. Which brings me to the things happening to the wire when the current is stopped: current is stopped, magnetic field collapses and produces current in the opposite direction, but then i think - shouldn't the current produced sort of oppose the collapse of the magnetic field? Or if it can't oppose the collapse of the magnetic field, maybe it can by being created by magnetic field create it's own magnetic field, which would create current, which would oppose the creation of the current creating it and so on, on and on creating back emf, which creates back emf and then a back emf creates again back emf and so on and nothing happens... The first part has some logic, at least for me, because when a current is applied by external source sooner or later the will be no change in magnetic field- hence no back emf and a flow of current, but in the case of a wire, which has energy induced in it in the form of the magnetic field, shouldn't the magnetic field just fight it self and nothing would happen, because of no external current source- any ideas?
 
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You need to get your logic sorted out.
A changing magnetic field produces an induced emf, (not a current), the direction of the induced emf opposes the change in the magnetic field (not the current applied).
Newtons 3rd law has nothing to do with induced emfs.
 
ataskaita said:
Which brings me to the things happening to the wire when the current is stopped: current is stopped, magnetic field collapses and produces current in the opposite direction, but then i think - shouldn't the current produced sort of oppose the collapse of the magnetic field?

This is incorrect. When the current begins to stop, the changing magnetic field generates an EMF that tries to keep the current flowing. Thus energy is stored in the magnetic field and delivered to the wire as EMF that causes current to flow after the external power source is removed.
 
Drakkith said:
This is incorrect. When the current begins to stop, the changing magnetic field generates an EMF that tries to keep the current flowing. Thus energy is stored in the magnetic field and delivered to the wire as EMF that causes current to flow after the external power source is removed.
OK, back to textbook:D
 

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