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Show that F = gamma^3*ma

  1. Sep 19, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Newton's second law is given by F = dp/dt. If the force is always parallel to the velocity, show that F = gamma3ma

    2. Relevant equations

    p = gamma*mv
    gamma = 1/(1-v2/c2)1/2

    3. The attempt at a solution

    I really have no clue where to begin. This is what I've done so far, but I don't think I'm even on the right track.

    F = dp/dt = gamma3ma = [1/(1-v2/c2)1/2]3ma
    =1/(1-v2/c2)3/2ma
    =1/(1 - 3v2/c2 + 3v4/c4 - v6/c6)1/2ma

    Thats as far as i get on the right side.

    For the left, all i can manage is dp/dt = d/dx p = d/dx gamma*mv
    This is where I get confused. gamma and m are constant, so does dp/dt = gamma*m*dv/dt?

    Some clarification would be great.

    Thanks
     
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  3. Sep 19, 2009 #2

    gabbagabbahey

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    Actually, Newton's second law says that [tex]\textbf{F}=\frac{d\textbf{p}}{dt}[/tex], this is why the condition that "force is always parallel to velocity" is important. ....Do you see why this condition means [itex]F=\frac{dp}{dt}[/itex]?

    Hint: Think of a particle undergoing uniform circular motion, its speed is constant, yet its momentum is still changing...why?

    [itex]\gamma[/itex] is dependent on the speed of the particle, right? Does the speed of the particle change with time when a force is applied parallel to its motion? If so, then [itex]\gamma[/itex] will have implicit time dependence, and you will need to use the product rule to take the derivative [itex]\frac{dp}{dt}[/itex]
     
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  4. Sep 19, 2009 #3
    That makes sense, I wasnt thinking when I said gamma was constant.
    So now I have dp/dt = d/dt(gamma*mv) = m d/dt (gamma*v) and I use product rule
    = m (v*d/dt gamma + gamma dv/dt) and now I need to find d/dt gamma
    gamma = (1-v2/c2)-1/2 and I use chain rule
    d/dt gamma = -1/2 (1-v2/c2)-3/2d/dt(1-v2c-2) which is another product rule
    d/dt (1-v2c-2) = -2vc-2+2c-3v2
    so now plugging back in I get:
    dp/dt = m (v[-1/2 (1-v2/c2)-3/2(-2vc-2+2c-3v2)] + gamma dv/dt)
    This = m [v([(-1)(-2v/c2+2v2/c3)]/2gamma3) + gamma*dv/dt]
    =m[v([v/c2-v2/c3]/gamma3)]+gamma*dv/dt
    =m[(v2/c2-v3/c3)(gamma-3)+gamma*dv/dt]
    =(v2/c2-v3/c3)gamma-3m + gamma*dv/dt*m
    I am now alot closer to the final solution, however I still cant get the last step.
    I have gamma*dv/dt*m which = gamma*ma on the right side.
    I need to make it gamma3ma.
    One more tip should do it.
    Thanks
     
  5. Sep 19, 2009 #4

    gabbagabbahey

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    Ermm...isn't the speed of light a constant? You don't need the product rule here, but you do need the chain rule:

    [tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)=\frac{-2v}{c^2}\frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]
     
  6. Sep 19, 2009 #5
    Your right, I've been doing this for so long my brain is sluggish.
    So dp/dt = m(v[-1/2(1-v2/c2)-3/2(-2v/c2dv/dt)] + gammadv/dt)
    =m(v[gamma3v/c2dv/dt] + gammadv/dt)
    =m(gamma3v2/c2dv/dt + gamma dv/dt)
    =mgammadv/dt(gamma2v2/c2+1)
    So thanks to your help I can now see the end in sight but still one last hump to get over to finally get the gamma3ma that im looking for.
     
  7. Sep 19, 2009 #6

    gabbagabbahey

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    Concentrate on the term in brackets:

    [tex]\gamma^2\frac{v^2}{c^2}+1=\frac{v^2}{c^2\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)}+1=\frac{v^2}{c^2-v^2}+1[/tex]

    put everything over a common denominator and simplify...
     
  8. Sep 19, 2009 #7
    [v2/(c2-v2)]+[(c2-v2)/(c2-v2)]
    =c2/c2-v2
    Sub back into the rest
    m*gammac2dv/dt/(c2-v2)
    =[(mc2dv/dt)/(1-v2/c2)1/2] / c2-v2
    =[(mc2dv/dt)/(1-v2/c2)1/2] * 1/(c2-v2)
     
  9. Sep 19, 2009 #8

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    Sure, but if you divide both the numerator and denominator of [itex]\frac{c^2}{c^2-v^2}[/itex] by [itex]c^2[/itex], what do you get?
     
  10. Sep 19, 2009 #9
    Aha!

    Then it becomes gamma2 giving me mgammadv/dt(gamma2)
    =mgamma3dv/dt
    =gamma3ma
    =Solution! :)

    Thanks you very much, your help has been greatly appreciated!
     
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