Show that this system is not a vector space

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a given system S is not a vector space by identifying a failure to satisfy one of the axioms of vector spaces, specifically using the usual rules for addition and scalar multiplication in ℝ3. The system is defined by the equation 2x1 + 3x32 - 4x23 = 0.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the closure properties under scalar multiplication and addition, expressing confusion about the notation used in the problem. There are attempts to clarify the equation and its variables, with some participants questioning the validity of the original statement of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the problem statement and notation, with some participants expressing skepticism about the original claim. A participant acknowledges a mistake in interpreting the problem, suggesting that the equation should be corrected. There is no explicit consensus reached, but the dialogue indicates a productive exploration of the issue.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion due to the notation used in the equation, specifically regarding the subscripts on the variables. This has led to questions about the correct interpretation of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



Show that the system S is not a vector space by showing one of the axioms is not satisfied with the usual rules for addition and multiplication by a scalar in ℝ3

S={x(ℝ3):2x1+3x32-4x23=0}


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The subscripts for the x's are strange I think but I guess that shouldn't make a difference.

But I'm really stuck on this I think it should be fairly easy though.

but for example if I try closure under scalar multiplication

or closure under addition I keep coming to a dead end because I don't know the value of the x's.

ie λ[2x1+3x32-4x23]=λ[0]

...λ[2x1+3x32-4x23]=0

I think I just need a hint in the right direction. Thanks
 
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The way I see it, you have one major problem- what you are trying to prove is not true!

Now, please tell us the exact wording of the problem. I suspect you are misstating it.
 
charmedbeauty said:

Homework Statement



Show that the system S is not a vector space by showing one of the axioms is not satisfied with the usual rules for addition and multiplication by a scalar in ℝ3

S={x(ℝ3):2x1+3x32-4x23=0}

I don't understand what you have above. Presumably x is a vector in R3. Why are there two subscripts on some of the variables in your equation?
 
HallsofIvy said:
The way I see it, you have one major problem- what you are trying to prove is not true!

Now, please tell us the exact wording of the problem. I suspect you are misstating it.

Mark44 said:
I don't understand what you have above. Presumably x is a vector in R3. Why are there two subscripts on some of the variables in your equation?

Ok sorry I did mistake the problem.

it really should have said 2x1+3x32-4x32

I mistakenly read it as it was not typed out ver well and it appeared to look like weird subscript notation.

and I solved it no problems

Thanks for letting me know!
 

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