Show that this vector is timelike?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a specific vector, defined in terms of a timelike vector and a spacelike vector, is timelike. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved, particularly focusing on the inner product and the conditions for a vector to be classified as timelike.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a vector expression and seeks to show it is timelike by calculating its inner product.
  • Another participant points out an error in the inner product calculation and suggests reviewing the use of indices.
  • A subsequent reply corrects the expression for the inner product but questions whether it equals zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the inner product were zero, the vector would be light-like, prompting a discussion about the signs of contributions in the expression.
  • One participant speculates that the square of the spacelike vector contributes negatively, leading to a positive overall result.
  • Another participant confirms the reasoning about the positivity of the squared terms in the expression.
  • A later post questions a specific mathematical statement regarding the relationship between the dot products, which is subsequently denied by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of mathematical expressions and the implications of their signs. There is no consensus on the final determination of the vector's classification as timelike.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their mathematical manipulations and the implications of the signs in their calculations. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Hi guys,

So I have a vector which I need to show is timelike. The vector is

[itex]v^{\mu}=t^{\mu}-\frac{t^{\mu}\cdot X^{\mu\prime}}{X^{\mu\prime}\cdot X^{\mu\prime}}X^{\mu\prime}[/itex],

where [itex]t^{\mu}[/itex] is a timelike vector and [itex]X^{\mu\prime}[/itex] is spacelike, however these two vectors are not perpendicular so their dot product does not vanish.

I understand that in order to show that [itex]v^{\mu}[/itex] is timelike, I need to find [itex]v_{\mu}v^{\mu}[/itex] and show that this is greater than 0. So:

[itex]v_{\mu}v^{\mu}=t^{2}-2\frac{(t\cdot X')^{2}}{X^{\prime}\cdot X^{\prime}}+(t\cdot X^{\prime})^{2}[/itex]

So first of all I don't know if this is correct (yes I don't know how to take a dot product obviously lol) and secondly, even if it is, how do I show that this is greater than 0?

Thanks guys!
 
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Your last term is wrong. Try to redo the inner product.

You should also look over your use of indices in the original problem statement.
 
Yes doctor that is wrong - fixed it and now I get this:

[itex]v_{\mu}v^{\mu}=t^{2}-\frac{(t\cdot X^{\prime})^{2}}{X^{\prime}\cdot X^{\prime}}[/itex] and... is this equal to 0? :O
 
No, if it was zero then v would be light-like. I suggest you try to figure out the signs of both of these contributions.
 
I don't know how the signs could change. But is the maths right? I mean is that the true expression?
 
Nevermind I think i got it -- because X is spacelike, its square is negative right :O so i get something positive overall?
 
Correct. Also ##(t\cdot X)^2## is just the square of a number and thus also positive.
 
Thank you doctor once again :) while we're at it could you please also confirm / deny the following statement:

[itex](t\cdot X^{\prime})^{2} = t^{2}X^{\prime 2}[/itex]?
 
Not true. The left hand side is positive and the right hand side is negative.
 
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I thought so. Thank you doctor :D you're a life saver lol ! (no pun intended)
 

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