Showing every free module is Projective

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The discussion revolves around the properties of free modules and their relationship to projective modules in the context of module theory. Participants explore definitions, implications, and examples related to the characterization of projective modules, particularly in relation to free modules over arbitrary rings and Principal Ideal Domains.

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  • One participant presents a definition of projective modules and seeks assistance in proving that a free module is projective.
  • Another participant challenges the initial definition of projective modules, suggesting that it is incorrect and clarifying the correct definition involving the order of quantifiers.
  • A third participant expresses confusion over the definitions but acknowledges the clarity of the second participant's version.
  • One participant highlights the importance of the order of quantifiers in the definition, using an example to illustrate a potential misunderstanding regarding projectivity.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has gained insight into the definitions and expresses gratitude for the clarification, noting a connection to vector spaces.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of projective modules, with at least two competing definitions presented. The discussion reflects uncertainty and differing interpretations of the properties of free and projective modules.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the definitions discussed, particularly concerning the conditions under which a module can be classified as projective. The discussion also hints at dependencies on the structure of the modules involved.

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Take P a free module over an arbitrary ring. Show P is projective.

Definition of Projective:
If f: M-->N and g: P-->N are module homomorphisms with f surjective, then if P is projective there exists homomorphism h such that h: P-->M with f(h(x))=g(x) for all x.

Obviously f has a right inverse, and so it is easy to find an h that works, but not a homomorphism h that works. I really have no idea about this and help would be appreciated.

Second bit:

Conversely, show that if P is a projective module over a Principal Ideal Domain, then P is free.
 
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You have the definition of projective wrong:
P is projective iff:
For all homomorphisms f:M->N and g:P->N:
If f is surjective, then:
There exists a homomorphism h:P->M with fh = g​

Anyways, isn't the set of all homomorphisms P->M easy to describe, when P is free?
 
I can't see a difference between our definitions, but yours is certainly clearer.

I don't know what that would be. I'd hazard a guess at matrices, but surely that relies on M being free as well?
 
I hate to just blurt out the answer to my question -- it's probably the most important property of free modules and I want to give you a chance to recall it, but anyways...

If F is the free module on a set X of generators, then any function X-->M uniquely extends to module homomorphism F-->M. Conversely, any module homomorphism F-->M is completely determined by its values on X



The difference between the definitions we gave is the order of quantifiers. e.g. by your definition, Z/2 would be a projective module over Z, as follows:

Let M = Z/2 and N = Z/2.
Let f:M->N and g:P->N be the identity homomorphisms.
Note that f is surjective.
Your definition says that I can now prove P projective, by letting h:P->M be the identity, because fh=g.

However, the correct definition is univerally quantified over M,N,f, and g. I don't have to be able to find an h for just one particular choice of M,N,f,g -- I have to be able to find an h for every choice of M,N,f,g.
 
About the spoiler; I didn't cover that in my course, I just checked my notes. But, it is fairly 'obvious' when you consider vector spaces, so I suppose I was just supposed to deduce it.

And I see the difference now.

Thanks for the help, I'll have another go at the problem.
 

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