Signals and systems - zero state response

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the Zero State Response (ZSR) for a given impulse response, defined as h[k] = 2d[k] + (0.8^k)u[k] + (2(-0.4^k)u[k]. The input signal is x[k] = 2u[k+2] - 2u[k-4]. Participants clarify that the convolution sum y[n] = x[n] * h[n] indeed computes the total response, which includes both the ZSR and the Zero Input Response (ZIR). The ZSR, also referred to as the forced response, arises solely from external inputs, while the ZIR is determined by the system's initial conditions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of impulse response in discrete-time systems
  • Familiarity with convolution operations in signal processing
  • Knowledge of Zero State Response (ZSR) and Zero Input Response (ZIR) concepts
  • Basic principles of electrical circuit theory
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the convolution sum in detail, focusing on its application in signal processing
  • Explore the differences between Zero State Response and Zero Input Response
  • Learn about the natural frequencies associated with Zero Input Response
  • Investigate the Laplace transform and its role in analyzing system responses
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Electrical engineers, signal processing students, and anyone studying systems theory will benefit from this discussion, particularly those looking to deepen their understanding of system responses in discrete-time signals.

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hey something is really confusing me...

we are given this impulse response

h[k] = 2d[k] +((0.8)^k).u[k] + (2(-0.4)^k).u[k]

where d is delta...
anyway the question then asks:

using the convolution, determine the ZERO STATE RESPONSE for an input signal x[k] = 2u[k+2] - 2u[k-4].

Now i kown how to solve that using the convoltion sum (as required):

y[n] = x[n] * h[n] = \sum_{k=-\infty}^{\infty}h[k] x[n-k]

my only problem is that this evaluates the total reponse, y[k]!
where our total reponse is equal to the zero state response and the zero input response...
but we just want zero state response - my peers and a tutor say that the convoltution sum is just the zero state response!
is this true...?
they also told me that the zero state response is not necessarily the forced response - (but in textbooks and other sources they always refer to these as the same thing)
thanks...
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_state_response said:
In electrical circuit theory, the zero state response (ZSR), also known as the forced response is the behavior or response of a circuit with initial state of zero. The ZSR results only from the external inputs or driving functions of the circuit and not from the initial state. The ZSR is also called the forced or driven response of the circuit.

The total response of the circuit is the superposition of the ZSR and the ZIR, or Zero Input Response. The ZIR results only from the initial state of the circuit and not from any external drive. The ZIR is also called the natural response, and the resonant frequencies of the ZIR are called the natural frequencies. Given a description of a system in the s-domain, the zero-state response can be described as Y(s)=Init(s)/a(s) where a(s) and Init(s) are system-specific.
 

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