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The discussion revolves around finding the unit impulse response h(t) of an audio system that produces two echoes at specified times and deriving the system's response to eliminate noise from a 60Hz power signal. Participants explore the Fourier transform of the impulse response and the challenges of sketching its magnitude and phase.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the impulse response can be expressed as h(t) = δ(t) + δ(t-0.5) + δ(t-1.5) for the echoes at 0.5 and 1.5 seconds.
  • The Fourier transform of the proposed impulse response is stated as H(ω) = 1 + e^{-jω/2} + e^{-j3ω/2}.
  • Another participant suggests using the Euler relation to express the exponentials and to calculate the magnitude and phase using the formulas magn = √(A² + B²) and phase = arctan(B/A), while noting the importance of the signs of A and B.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the resulting expressions for magnitude and phase, with one participant expressing frustration over the inability to simplify them for hand sketching.
  • There is a request for clarification on the magnitude and phase functions as a function of ω, indicating that the discussion is ongoing and participants are seeking further input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the impulse response and its Fourier transform, but there is disagreement regarding the ease of sketching the magnitude and phase, with some expressing frustration over the complexity of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best method for sketching the magnitude and phase, and there are unresolved details regarding the specific values of A and B in the context of the Fourier transform.

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Homework Statement



a) Find the unit impulse response h(t) of an audio system that causes two echoes, one occurring at 0.5 seconds and the other one at 1.5 seconds. Please sketch H(w). (Magnitude and phase)

b) Design a system that can eliminate noise coming from the 60Hz power signal (thus noise is an additive 60Hz sinusoid). Derive its time input response h(t).

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my attempt thus far at the solution,

a)

If I have echoes at time 0.5 and 1.5,

h(t) = \delta(t) + \delta(t-0.5) + \delta(t-1.5)

The Fourier transform of this will be,

H(\omega) = 1 + e^{-j\frac{\omega}{2}} + e^{-j\frac{3\omega}{2}}

Is this correct? I am having a hard time figuring out how I am suppose to easily sketch the magnitude and phase of such a function.

Thanks again!
 
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jegues said:

Homework Statement



a) Find the unit impulse response h(t) of an audio system that causes two echoes, one occurring at 0.5 seconds and the other one at 1.5 seconds. Please sketch H(w). (Magnitude and phase)

b) Design a system that can eliminate noise coming from the 60Hz power signal (thus noise is an additive 60Hz sinusoid). Derive its time input response h(t).

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my attempt thus far at the solution,

a)

If I have echoes at time 0.5 and 1.5,

h(t) = \delta(t) + \delta(t-0.5) + \delta(t-1.5)

The Fourier transform of this will be,

H(\omega) = 1 + e^{-j\frac{\omega}{2}} + e^{-j\frac{3\omega}{2}}

Is this correct? I am having a hard time figuring out how I am suppose to easily sketch the magnitude and phase of such a function.

Thanks again!

Fourier transform looks right (I'm a Laplace man myself, but it's about the same thing).

So, assuming it's right, use the Euler relation on the two exponentials, then use standard method of forming H(ω) = A + jB

magn = √(A2 + B2)
phase = arc tan B/A. Pay attention separately to the signs of A and B (in other words, arc tan (A/-B) ≠ arc tan(-A/B) etc.)
 
rude man said:
Fourier transform looks right (I'm a Laplace man myself, but it's about the same thing).

So, assuming it's right, use the Euler relation on the two exponentials, then use standard method of forming H(ω) = A + jB

magn = √(A2 + B2)
phase = arc tan B/A. Pay attention separately to the signs of A and B (in other words, arc tan (A/-B) ≠ arc tan(-A/B) etc.)

I've done this, let's just say it doesn't simplify down to something nice that you can sketch by hand. (You'd need a graphing calculator as far as I can tell)

That's why I'm getting frustrated, it's not turning into something I can simply sketch by hand.
 
jegues said:
I've done this, let's just say it doesn't simplify down to something nice that you can sketch by hand. (You'd need a graphing calculator as far as I can tell)

That's why I'm getting frustrated, it's not turning into something I can simply sketch by hand.

What did you get for magn. and phase as functions of ω? Can't be that bad.
 

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