Significant Figures and Units in Physics Calculations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of significant figures and units in physics calculations, particularly in multi-part problems. Participants explore the implications of using exact values versus rounded values and the necessity of tracking units during mathematical operations such as derivatives and integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that when using an exact value like √2, it should be retained in calculations to avoid affecting significant figures in subsequent answers.
  • Others suggest that while computing derivatives and integrals, it is crucial to keep track of units, although the method of doing so can vary based on the clarity of the calculations.
  • One participant mentions using unrounded answers from previous parts of a problem for subsequent calculations, while rounding is applied only when reporting final answers.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of obtaining a mass of √2 kg while adhering to significant digits, proposing that it should be expressed in a way that reflects the proper significant figures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the handling of significant figures and the use of exact values versus rounded values in calculations. There is no consensus on the best approach, as multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of measurements and the context in which significant figures are applied, which may not be universally applicable.

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Physics has always been my main interest; with more than a mere "favourite subject" label. Therefore I have made it one of my goals to not only be able to solve problems, but also express rigor and detail in my calculations. With regard to solving problems, I have 2 main questions:
1) Significant Figures
I am familiar with the common practice in all of science regarding significant figures - the lowest number of significant figures in a question determines the number of significant figures in the answer. But what if a question has several parts, in which one should use one answer in the next "part". In that case, should one use the "exact" value from a calculator (√2, for instance)? Or should one stick to the significant figures rule and use the "rounded up" value? Which is the correct method?
2) Units
I know and appreciate the importance of units in physics, and I understand that they should be explicitly stated in a final answer. But what about the working? I mean, while computing a derivative or an integral, should one include units for the coefficients? Do physicists actually show units while "doing the math"? Or do they consider this practice redundant and of no good use?
 
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1) If you have an exact value like √2, then you use the exact value (or enough accuracy that it doesn't matter) so as not to affect the significant digits in your answer.

2) Well, derivatives and integrals change the units, so it's very important to keep track of the units through these operations. How you choose to keep track on your scrap paper is your business. If it's pretty obvious stuff, for example, if you are getting the acceleration a bunch of times from mass and velocity measurements in time, all in the same units, then sure, it's probably redundant to keep writing the units every time. If you're deriving an expression for the first time, you probably better make sure all your units work out correctly.
 
In a multi-part problem, I always use the unrounded answer from each part as input for my calculations for the next part, by keeping it in my calculator (either in the display or in a memory register) so that I can easily use it when I start calculations for the next part.

When I report the answer for each part, I round it off as appropriate.
 
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olivermsun said:
1) If you have an exact value like √2, then you use the exact value (or enough accuracy that it doesn't matter) so as not to affect the significant digits in your answer.

2) Well, derivatives and integrals change the units, so it's very important to keep track of the units through these operations. How you choose to keep track on your scrap paper is your business. If it's pretty obvious stuff, for example, if you are getting the acceleration a bunch of times from mass and velocity measurements in time, all in the same units, then sure, it's probably redundant to keep writing the units every time. If you're deriving an expression for the first time, you probably better make sure all your units work out correctly.

So regarding significant figures: suppose I get a mass of √2 kg in part 1, but I express it as 1.4 kg while writing down the answer. In part 2, when I use that value for mass, I use √2, but not 1.4? [Despite the fact that my previous answer indicates that I know the mass to only two significant figures.]
 
I don't think you could ever get a mass of √2 kg if you were keeping track of significant digits properly. It could be an answer like 1.0 * √2 kg (multiplying a real measurement of 1.0 kg by a factor of √2), in which case you would report 1.4 kg.

jtbell's suggestion of holding intermediate values (without rounding) in your calculator is also what I usually do.
 
olivermsun said:
I don't think you could ever get a mass of √2 kg if you were keeping track of significant digits properly. It could be an answer like 1.0 * √2 kg (multiplying a real measurement of 1.0 kg by a factor of √2), in which case you would report 1.4 kg.

jtbell's suggestion of holding intermediate values (without rounding) in your calculator is also what I usually do.

So I report 1.4 kg, but when using a value for this mass in the next part of the question, I use √2.
 

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