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The discussion revolves around proving that if two matrices A and B are similar, then their k-th powers, Ak and Bk, are also similar. The original poster attempts to explore this proof using induction and seeks clarification on the relationship between B and A in terms of matrix powers.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of induction to prove the similarity of matrix powers, with some questioning the necessity of induction. There are attempts to express Bk in terms of A and to explore smaller powers to identify patterns.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights and clarifying steps. Some have suggested trying specific cases (like k=2) to build understanding, while others are working through the implications of their findings. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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The proof is being developed for positive integers, and there are discussions about the non-commutative nature of matrix multiplication, which influences the approach to the problem.

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If A and B are similar matrices, show that Ak and Bk are similar.
I am almost positive this has to be done by induction.

p(k):= Bk=S-1*Ak*S
p(k+1):= Bk+1=S-1*Ak+1*S
Assume p(k) is true.

I know I could take p(k) and multiply right by A but I don't think that will go any where.
 
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If [tex]B=P^{-1}AP[/tex], then [tex]B^k=[/tex]... ?
 
I forgot to mention I am proving this for each positive integer or the natural numbers.
 
You don't need induction here.
Answer the previous poster's question, what is Bk in terms of A?
If you can't get that right away, try it for a smaller integer. If B=P-1AP, what is B2? You should see how the answer follows.
 
So I am going to obtain s inverse to the k a to the k and s to the k which is equal to b to the k
 
Dustinsfl said:
So I am going to obtain s inverse to the k a to the k and s to the k which is equal to b to the k

No, matrices don't commute under multiplication in general.

Edit: Although, if they did, you'd be home free, too...but they don't!
 
What should I do then with (S-1*A*S)k then?
 
Write it out.
 
Try small powers. For example, k=2
(XYZ)2=(XYZ)(XYZ)=XYZXYZ
Now try it for (P-1AP)2=...

After you have that done you can generalize to the power of k.
 
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VeeEight said:
Now try it for (P-1AP)2=...

I not sure about this part.
 
  • #11
Just multiply the term by itself.
(XYZ)2=(XYZ)(XYZ)=XYZXYZ
 
  • #12
Never mind my eyes were playing tricks on me I thought that was p- not to the power.
 
  • #13
I see how it works since the middle terms become I which goes away. I now that this will happen for where each last term meets the first time but I am still unsure how to prove it.
 
  • #14
If you see it for the smaller powers (for k=2,3.. etc), it is easy to generalize to the power of k. You can use induction if you want but it is not really needed.
 
  • #15
You will use induction after all. But now that you see the pattern, you should be able to make it work.
 
  • #16
If I use my term to the k+1, what do I do after I separate it to term to the k times term to the first?
 
  • #17
(P-1AP)k+1 = (P-1AP)k(P-1AP). Then apply the induction hypothesis (assuming you proved a base case).
 
  • #18
This is the step I am stuck on.
 
  • #19
What exactly are you stuck on? Apply the induction hypothesis to the term (P-1AP)k. This will give you the familiar paring of the P and P-1 terms when you multiply it by P-1AP.

So you have (P-1AP)k(P-1AP) = (P-1AkP)(P-1AP) = P-1Ak(PP-1)AP = ...
Your result follows from this.
 
  • #20
By assumption, Bk = P-1AkP.

So Bk+1 = BkB = ?
 
  • #21
I was working the wrong side of the equation was the issue thanks.
 

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