Simple chemistry questions - creating particle beams

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the creation of particle beams, specifically focusing on protons, neutrons, and electrons. Participants explore the feasibility and methods for generating these beams, as well as clarifying misconceptions about what constitutes a particle beam in the context of chemistry and physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to create beams of protons, neutrons, and electrons, questioning whether such beams are hypothetical.
  • Another participant explains that creating a beam of electrons is straightforward, citing the use of electron beams in old-style TVs and monitors.
  • A third participant mentions that neutrons can be generated using a neutron generator, which is used for various research purposes.
  • A later reply acknowledges a lack of awareness regarding the methods for creating these particle beams.
  • One participant suggests that the initial question inadvertently contained its own answer, noting that particles in beams can indeed be considered a form of radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that methods exist for creating beams of electrons and protons, while the discussion about neutrons is less detailed. There is some uncertainty regarding the classification of particle beams as radiation, indicating a conceptual clarification is needed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how particle beams are classified or the specific methods for generating each type of particle beam, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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Simple chemistry questions -- creating particle beams...

I'm new to chemistry and trying to understand this page http://www.chemguide.co.uk/atoms/properties/. I'm about to ask some very silly questions :rolleyes:

It shows two examples of what will happen if a beam of protons, neutrons and electrons are passed between two electrically charged plates.

1. If the particles have the same energy.
2. If the particles have the same speeds.

My first question is, how can you create a beam of these particles in the first place? I thought only photons and radiation were beams. Was it just hypothetical?
 
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I am not sure about neutrons, but creating a beam of electrons is rather trivial (every old style TV/monitor used a beam of electrons to create the picture). Similarly it is not difficult to create a stream of protons (take some hydrogen, ionize it, accelerate what you got - perhaps not something to try on the kitchen table, but a routine thing to do in many labs).
 
I was sure methods exist, I just wasn't aware of the details :redface:
 
You question contained its answer...
skyshrimp said:
I thought only photons and radiation were beams.
I think the difficulty here was not realizing that electrons etc in beams are radiation.
Radiation can be composed of any kind of particle...
 

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