Simple Differential Equation Help | Solving y'[x] = xy | e^x Solution Explained

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The problem involves solving the differential equation y'[x] = xy with the initial condition y[0] = 1. Participants are discussing the steps taken to solve the equation and the resulting expressions for y.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants share their attempts at solving the equation, noting the transition from dy/dx = xy to ln y = (x^2)/2 + C. There is confusion regarding the simplification of y = e^[(x^2)/2 + C] to y = Ce^x, with questions about the properties of natural logarithms and the implications of constants.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the simplification steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct form of the solution and the importance of the initial condition in determining constants. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still questioning the reasoning behind certain steps.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's initial condition and are questioning the validity of certain simplifications. There is an emphasis on understanding the properties of logarithms and exponentials in the context of the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


y ' [x] = xy
y[0] = 1


Homework Equations


none


The Attempt at a Solution



I posted this somewhere else and 2 people got the answer is y = e^x

I am getting something else though.

I get up to here:

dy/dx = xy

1/y dy = x dx

ln y = (x^2)/2 + C

that is what i get to, but here is what the other person got from this point:

y = e^[ (x^2/2) + C ] (Im not confused on e^ln^y = y fyi)

then he simplified that to:

y = Ce^x (I DONT understand that property of natural logs)

1 = C * e^0

C = 0

y = e^x

anyone care to explain? don't worry if you know a better way and start from scratch, ignore mine and this other guys answer if you want.
 
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boomer22 said:

Homework Statement


y ' [x] = xy
y[0] = 1


Homework Equations


none


The Attempt at a Solution



I posted this somewhere else and 2 people got the answer is y = e^x

I am getting something else though.

I get up to here:

dy/dx = xy

1/y dy = x dx

ln y = (x^2)/2 + C

Yup, so far, so good. :wink:

that is what i get to, but here is what the other person got from this point:

y = e^[ (x^2/2) + C ] (Im not confused on e^ln^y = y fyi)

Yup, this is correct. Can you get this step? We have:

[tex]\ln y = x \Rightarrow e ^ {\ln y} = e ^ x \Rightarrow y = e ^ x[/tex]

then he simplified that to:

y = Ce^x (I DONT understand that property of natural logs)

1 = C * e^0

C = 0

y = e^x

anyone care to explain? don't worry if you know a better way and start from scratch, ignore mine and this other guys answer if you want.

Nope, this is wrong. You can simply check it by differentiate y with respect to x. If y = ex, then, y' = ex = y, not xy.

Here's some properties of exponential that you should remember:
(1). [tex]\alpha ^ {\beta + \gamma} = \alpha ^ \beta \times \alpha ^ \gamma[/tex]

(2).[tex]\alpha ^ {\beta - \gamma} = \frac {\alpha ^ \beta}{\alpha ^ \gamma}[/tex]

(3).[tex]\alpha ^ {-\gamma} = \alpha ^ {0 - \gamma} = \frac{\alpha ^ 0}{\alpha ^ \gamma} = \frac{1}{\alpha ^ \gamma}[/tex]

(4).[tex]\alpha ^ {\beta \times \gamma} = \left( \alpha ^ \beta \right) ^ \gamma[/tex]

(5).[tex]\alpha ^ {\frac{\beta}{\gamma}} = \sqrt[\gamma]{\alpha ^ \beta}[/tex]

Back to your problem:

[tex]y = e ^ {\frac{x ^ 2}{2} + C}[/tex]

Using (1), we have:

[tex]\Rightarrow y = e ^ C \times e ^ {\frac{x ^ 2}{2}}[/tex] since C is a constant, we have eC is also a constant, we denote it D, we have:

[tex]\Rightarrow y = D \times e ^ {\frac{x ^ 2}{2}}[/tex]

Can you go from here? Can you find D? :)
 
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haha no, i can't actually. please continue.
 
Use the condition y(0) = 1 to find D.
 
ok, D = 0 then
 
boomer22 said:
ok, D = 0 then

No, because that forces y=0 for all x, which certainly does not satisfy y(0)=1.
 
In [tex]y= De^{\frac{x^2}{2}}[/tex], replace y with 1, replace x with 0, and solve for D.
 
boomer22 said:

Homework Statement


y ' [x] = xy
y[0] = 1


Homework Equations


none


The Attempt at a Solution



I posted this somewhere else and 2 people got the answer is y = e^x

I am getting something else though.

I get up to here:

dy/dx = xy

1/y dy = x dx

ln y = (x^2)/2 + C

that is what i get to, but here is what the other person got from this point:

y = e^[ (x^2/2) + C ] (Im not confused on e^ln^y = y fyi)

then he simplified that to:

y = Ce^x (I DONT understand that property of natural logs)

1 = C * e^0

C = 0

y = e^x

anyone care to explain? don't worry if you know a better way and start from scratch, ignore mine and this other guys answer if you want.

Just so you don't get thrown off

y = e^[ (x^2/2) + C ]

does not simplify down to

y = Ce^x (What happened to the x^2 then?)
 
l46kok said:
Just so you don't get thrown off

y = e^[ (x^2/2) + C ]

does not simplify down to

y = Ce^x (What happened to the x^2 then?)

Yes, that was pointed out before.
[tex]y= e^{\frac{x^2}{2}+ C[/tex]
does simplify to
[tex]y= Ce^{\frac{x^2}{2}[/tex]
But this new "C" is not the same as the previous "C"!

Now if y= 1 when x= 0, that becomes
[tex]y= 1= Ce^{0}[/itex]<br /> Solve that for C.[/tex]
 
  • #10
ok, C = 1 then

what is next?
 
  • #11
plug in C=1 into y=Ce^[(x^2)/2]

and you'll get your final answer
 

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