Simple Harmonic Motion Pendulum, can we use PE=1/2kAmplitude^2?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of potential energy formulas in the context of simple harmonic motion, specifically regarding a pendulum. Participants explore whether the formula for potential energy typically used for springs can be applied to pendulums when given the angle of displacement.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the applicability of the formula Potential Energy = 1/2K(x(x=Amplitude))^2 for a pendulum when only the angle of displacement is provided.
  • Another participant points out that the formula mentioned is not the standard one used for harmonic oscillators and suggests that more specificity in the question could be beneficial.
  • A different participant asserts that the formula cannot be used for a pendulum, clarifying that the spring constant k is not relevant since there is no spring involved.
  • In response, a participant explains that k can be considered an equivalent spring constant for the pendulum, relating gravitational potential energy to the height of the pendulum bob and deriving an effective spring constant based on the pendulum's length and mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the applicability of the potential energy formula for pendulums and the interpretation of the spring constant in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between potential energy in springs and pendulums, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of terms like amplitude and displacement.

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I was wondering if we can somehow use the formula Potential Energy = 1/2K(x(x=Amplitude))^2 for a pendulum if we are only given the angle of displacement?

Would the problems normally just say the PE at the top of the pendulum is such and such, please find max Velocity,
Or also the max velocity is such and such please find max potential energy, or max amplitude.
 
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Your formula for potential energy is not the one usually given in descriptions of a harmonic oscillator, and it is generally unclear what you are asking about. Being more specific could help.
 
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I was wondering if we can somehow use the formula Potential Energy = 1/2K(x(x=Amplitude))^2 for a pendulum if we are only given the angle of displacement?

Would the problems normally just say the PE at the top of the pendulum is such and such, please find max Velocity,
Or also the max velocity is such and such please find max potential energy, or max amplitude.
No, you can't. ##k## is the spring constant. There is no spring involved with a pendulum.
 
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The k in Hong's formula is an equivalent spring constant. The gravitational PE of the pendulum bob relative to its lowest position is, mgh, in which h is its height relative to its lowest point. It's easy to show by Pythagoras that for small displacements with horizontal component x, for a pendulum of length L, [itex]x^2 = 2hL[/itex]. So the PE of the bob is [itex]mgh = \frac{1}{2} \frac{mg}{L} x^2[/itex], so the effective spring constant, k, is [itex]\frac{mg}{L}[/itex].
 
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Thanks Everyone!
 

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