Simple Number Theory Proof, Again

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The discussion revolves around a number theory proof concerning the square of integers, specifically that the square of any integer can be expressed in the forms 4k or 4k+1 for some integer k.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different cases for even and odd integers, attempting to derive the forms of their squares. Some question the correctness of the initial attempts and suggest clarifications in the expressions used.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the proof with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants provide alternative perspectives, such as using modular arithmetic, while others emphasize a more straightforward approach without it. No explicit consensus has been reached on the best method to present the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential complications in the expressions used and question the necessity of different indices or methods. There is also mention of the complexity introduced by modular arithmetic, which may not be familiar to all participants.

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Alright, having problems with this question too. It seems to be the same type of number theory problem, which is the problem.

Homework Statement


Prove "The square of any integer has the form 4k or 4k+1 for some integer k.


Homework Equations



definition of even= 2k
definition of odd= 2k+1

The Attempt at a Solution



Basically I have: Case 1. 2k(2k) = 4k
Case 2. 2k+1(2k+1) = 4k2+4k+1 = 4k+1(k+1)

Not sure if it's correct. Do I need to use different indices? I feel I am missing something. Thanks for any help!
 
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nastygoalie89 said:
Alright, having problems with this question too. It seems to be the same type of number theory problem, which is the problem.

Homework Statement


Prove "The square of any integer has the form 4k or 4k+1 for some integer k.


Homework Equations



definition of even= 2k
definition of odd= 2k+1

The Attempt at a Solution



Basically I have: Case 1. 2k(2k) = 4k
Case 2. 2k+1(2k+1) = 4k2+4k+1 = 4k+1(k+1)

Not sure if it's correct. Do I need to use different indices? I feel I am missing something. Thanks for any help!
For case 1, (2k)(2k) != 4k
For case 2, you need parentheses.
(2k + 1)(2k + 1) = 4k2 + 4k + 1 != 4k + 1(k + 1)

Your last expression above is equal to 5k + 1, which is different from (2k + 1)(2k + 1).
 
You've expanded it yet you factorised it? it will be taking you back to what you got initially. you should have changed your [tex]4m^{2}+4m+1[/tex] into [tex]4(m^{2}+m)+1[/tex] and explain that it is similar to the form 4k+1 .
 
Even though this is my first post on Physics Forums and this was done a year ago, I'm going to tell everyone you've made it way too complicated. I'm a pretty new mathematician, and I feel this isn't in the spirit of a proof, but it still works.

Take the case n^2.
if n==0 (mod 4), n^2 will also be congruent to 0 modulo 4. Check.
if n==1, 1^2 will also be congruent to 1 modulo 4. Check.
if n==2, 2^2=4 and 4 modulo 4 == 0. Check.
if n==3, 3^3=9, 9==1 modulo 4. Check.

That's all the cases.
 
The only difference is that you have "hidden" the complications under the name "mod". That's fine if the person knows about modular arithmetic but the proof originally given is much simpler in that it does not use modular aritymetic.
 

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