Simplification in Schrodinger derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Schrödinger equation from the Klein-Gordon equation, specifically focusing on the approximation of the relativistic total energy. The user is confused about how the transition from the square root expression to the simplified form occurs, particularly regarding the appearance of the 1/2 factor. They inquire whether a conjugate was used in the process and mention the binomial approximation as a potential explanation. Additionally, they suggest using graphical comparisons to understand the accuracy of the approximation better. The conversation highlights the importance of mathematical tools like the binomial approximation in simplifying complex equations.
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This is not a homework question. This is not for a course. However, I got a warning for posting such questions elsewhere, so, I suppose I must post them here.

Homework Statement


The following is an excerpt of the derivation of the Schrodinger equation. After deriving the Klein-Gordon equation, the relativistic total energy is approximated to arrive at the Schrodinger equation.

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E = mc^2\sqrt{1+\frac{p^2}{m^2c^2}}
\approx mc^2\left(1+\frac{1}{2}\frac{p^2}{m^2c^2}\right)

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Well, frankly, I do not see how they went from the first step to the second step. Where did the 1/2 come from? How does the removal of the square root effectively approximate this? I am not seeing it. Was a conjugate used and multiplied somehow?
 
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It may also help you to play around with some of these plots to get a feel for how well the approximations work. For example, letting ##x = p/(mc)##, take a look at a comparison of the two curves, plotted with wolframalpha:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Plot[{Sqrt[1+x^2],1+x^2/2},{x,0,1}]

Play around with some other examples of the binomial approximation as well.
 
Thank you! This is perfect. I do not know how I managed to get this far without having heard of the binomial approximation, and having tutored math for years. I guess I am one of the lucky ten thousand.
 
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