Simpson's Rule - Finding the fourth derivative - an easier way?

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The discussion revolves around finding the fourth derivative of a function in the context of applying Simpson's Rule. The original poster expresses frustration with the tediousness of calculating multiple derivatives, specifically for the function y = 1/(1+x²).

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  • Participants explore whether there is a method to directly find the nth derivative without computing all previous derivatives. Some mention the existence of functions with closed formulas for derivatives but emphasize the need for pattern recognition and induction.

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The conversation reflects a mix of hopefulness and resignation regarding the possibility of simplifying the derivative calculation process. While some participants acknowledge the lack of shortcuts, there is a recognition of the importance of understanding the error estimation in Simpson's Rule.

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Participants note the complexity involved in calculating higher-order derivatives and the specific requirement of the fourth derivative for the application of Simpson's Rule.

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This is really just a shot in the dark here but I am hoping that there is something that I have forgotten about derivatives. Is there a way to directly find a:

[tex]y^{(n)} = f(x)[/tex]

?

That is, is there a way to directly find the nth derivative of y without computing n derivatives?

Since Simpson's Rule needs the 4th derivative of a function it can get very tedious and complicated computing 4 derivatives. Just the 3rd derivative of:

[tex]y = \frac{1}{1+x^{2}}[/tex]

took a very long time to get to...
 
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I take it that I didn't forget and I am left to do the tedious work... \sigh
 
Asphyxiated said:

Homework Statement



This is really just a shot in the dark here but I am hoping that there is something that I have forgotten about derivatives. Is there a way to directly find a:

[tex]y^{(n)} = f(x)[/tex]

?

That is, is there a way to directly find the nth derivative of y without computing n derivatives?

No. There are functions that have nice closed formulas for the nth derivative, but those come by establishing a pattern and using induction.
Since Simpson's Rule needs the 4th derivative of a function it can get very tedious and complicated computing 4 derivatives. Just the 3rd derivative of:

[tex]y = \frac{1}{1+x^{2}}[/tex]

took a very long time to get to...

Actually calculating the integral by Simpson's rule doesn't involve any derivatives. It is estimating the error that does. But, yes, if you are doing it by hand, there is no shortcut.
 
Thats what I meant was for the error estimate, but thanks for the help man, I didn't really think so but i was just hopeful.
 

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