Size difference between Hydrogen ion and electron?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of an electrolyte used in hydrogen fuel cells, specifically addressing the permeability of hydrogen ions compared to electrons. Participants explore the reasons behind the selective passage of ions and the implications of the electrolyte's structure and chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the impermeability of electrons is due to their larger size compared to hydrogen ions.
  • Another participant questions whether the acidic nature of the electrolyte contributes to this impermeability.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the polymer structure does not allow for movement of negatively charged particles due to electrostatic repulsion, and that protons can move freely between fixed sites, indicating that size sorting is not a factor at the molecular level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus among participants regarding the reasons for the selective permeability of the electrolyte, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the role of size versus electrostatic interactions in the permeability of the electrolyte, highlighting the complexity of the underlying mechanisms.

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While studying the generation of electricity using hydrogen fuel cells, I came across a point that

"The electrolyte is a thin, fragile sheet of acidic, solid organic polymer about 50 microns (2 thousandths of an inch) thick which permits the passage of Hydrogen ions but is impermeable to electrons."
So i would like to confirm that the impermeability of electrons is due to it's larger size.

Can you please help?
Thank you.
 
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rizwanibn said:
acidic, solid organic polymer
 
So it is because of the acidic nature of the electrolyte. Right?
 
The polymer cannot move, it can only ionize to protons, and immobile negatively charged, anionic functional groups. Electrostatic repulsion prevents movement of any negatively charged ions, particles, through the polymer film. The protons move through freely from one fixed anionic site to the next. There is no sorting of subatomic particles by size going on in any molecular scale structure.
 
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The polymer cannot move, it can only ionize to protons, and immobile negatively charged, anionic functional groups. Electrostatic repulsion prevents movement of any negatively charged ions, particles, through the polymer film. The protons move through freely from one fixed anionic site to the next. There is no sorting of subatomic particles by size going on in any molecular scale structure.
Thank You Very Much.
 
You are quite welcome.
 

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