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Skeptic magazine assaults AI

  1. Sep 2, 2006 #1
    From the skeptic site:

    I didnt know the AI field was in such a bad shape, but then again i dont know anything about AI either. What are the opinions here, does skeptic magazine have a point?
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  3. Sep 2, 2006 #2
    I don't know if I buy that since it hasn't worked for the past 50 years we should stop. I don't know much about the advancements in AI but I DO know that in the last 50 years our ability to expand the input recorded by these computers has improved greatly. From picture/camera recognition to mood recognition due to facial features. Being able to efficiently recreate the senses of a human brain I believe is the very first step in developing AI.

    Some good links about the changes in AI can be found on this site:
    http://www.aaai.org/aitopics/html/overview.html [Broken]
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  4. Sep 2, 2006 #3
    also gotta remember about the education required to study AI and the funding available out there to do human AI studies
  5. Sep 4, 2006 #4
    how ironic- a so-called 'skeptic' who embrasses the most insipid form of vitalism- that the biological human brain is imbued with magic that equivalently complex systems could never posess-

    the field of AI is exponentiating- it is only the old naive top-down high church computationalism that has faded- bottom-up approaches are emerging and evolving quite rapidly-

    and at the end of the day- the worst case senario is that we will just have to bootstrap part/all of the brains functions into various computational/mechanical/biotech analogues- unless you believe in magic this will work
  6. Sep 4, 2006 #5


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    The article bothers me. The author seems stuck on a computer emulating a person, when AI has plenty of success in other areas. How does he think the mars landers drive around? Remote control? The fact is: computer aren't people, you don't use them the same way. Why simulate a brain when all you need to do is recognize characters or faces? There are better approaches.
  7. Sep 23, 2006 #6


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    On one hand, AI has not lived up to its promises. On the other, it's not in as bad a shape as the article would suggest. We have many robots/AIs which easily surpass insects in intelligence. We have fairly advanced voice recognition and object detection systems. Automatic proof generators and arguably all-purpose symbolic solvers are further advances in AI.
  8. Oct 3, 2006 #7
    but much of the brains lower level function IS bootstrap.. thatwouldnt be the worst case scenario. it would be the only case scenario.

    Its learning how to USE those boostrap functions that humans develop as they age to 5 years old.

    AI is completely possible.. it will take a very low level programming language with huge amounts of flexibility... immensely flexible variables (like comparing that stack capabilties of 16 bit ASM to 64 bit ASM.)

    It will also require chips that have the ability to rewire themselves. Neural connectivity is not static and is the basis of learning. A hard wired chip would have to simulate that in software .. VERY slow.
  9. Oct 7, 2006 #8
    In another topic some people made it sound like my idea of intelligence was a stretch of imagination (i believe bacteria are intelligent), yet i suspect these people are actually the same ones that call robots that use a camera to avoid obstacles, examples of AI.

    I wouldnt forget to mention consciousness. Its my opinion that when(if) we figure out how to create a subjective experience in any configuration of matter, then that configuration of matter will start behaving intelligently. This i think is the basis of intelligence, and i suspect all other approaches are merely attempts to copy the behaviour that this basis produces.

    Its like trying to create a fire by putting orange,yellow and blue powder into a transparant balloon, shining a flashlight at it, and then shaking it.
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  10. Oct 8, 2006 #9


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    It is very plausible we may create an artificial race imbued with AI. It seems to be a logical step forward in evolution. Perhaps biological entities will become obsolete in our distant future. A scary thought. Program them with a sense of morality, and who knows where that might lead. They might hold, and judge us by our word.
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