So, no prefixes...Do planes in higher dimensions satisfy Euclid's definition?

In summary, the discussion presents the interpretation of Euclid's definition of a plane as a surface where a straight line passing through any two points on it coincides with it at every spot. However, the ambiguity arises when considering planes in different dimensions. While this definition may hold for planes in R^3, it may not hold for planes in R^4 and beyond. The formal way of showing this is by proving that the line is perpendicular to the normal vector and that the two points satisfy the plane equation.
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AlonsoMcLaren
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A problem in Linear Algebra by Jim Hefferson:

Euclid describes a plane as \a surface which lies evenly with the straight lines
on itself". Commentators (e.g., Heron) have interpreted this to mean \(A plane
surface is) such that, if a straight line pass through two points on it, the line
coincides wholly with it at every spot, all ways". (Translations from [Heath], pp.
171-172.) Do planes, as described in this section, have that property? Does this
description adequately de fine planes?

The answer is ambiguous:
Euclid no doubt is picturing a plane inside of R^3. Observe, however, that both R^1 and R^2 also satisfy that definition.

So what about R^4 and beyond? Do planes in R^4 (and beyond) have the property stated above? Is this property a definition of planes in R^4 (and beyond)? Is it even a definition of planes in R^3?
 
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AlonsoMcLaren said:
A problem in Linear Algebra by Jim Hefferson:

Euclid describes a plane as \a surface which lies evenly with the straight lines
on itself". Commentators (e.g., Heron) have interpreted this to mean \(A plane
surface is) such that, if a straight line pass through two points on it, the line
coincides wholly with it at every spot, all ways". (Translations from [Heath], pp.
171-172.) Do planes, as described in this section, have that property? Does this
description adequately de fine planes?

The answer is ambiguous:
Euclid no doubt is picturing a plane inside of R^3. Observe, however, that both R^1 and R^2 also satisfy that definition.

So what about R^4 and beyond? Do planes in R^4 (and beyond) have the property stated above? Is this property a definition of planes in R^4 (and beyond)? Is it even a definition of planes in R^3?

Hey AlonsoMcLaren.

Just to clarify I'm interpreting the quote to mean that you have a flat surface (plane) and a line and if the line passes through any two points then the line runs through infinitely many points on the plane.

If this is the case, the answer should be used for any plane of any dimension, although the line will only run through a subset of points even though the number of points is infinite.

The way to do this formally is to show that the line is perpendicular to the normal vector and that the two points satisfy the plane equation. Showing that the direction vector of the line is perpendicular to the normal vector with two solutions to the plane equation being the two points can be expanded to show that the line crosses infinitly many points on the plane and in effect lies on the plane.

For the n-dimensional construction of a plane, use the relationship n dot (r - r0) = 0 wher dot is the dot product (Assuming cartesian/euclidean space), r is an arbitrary point to satisfy plane-equation and r0 is a specific known point on the plane. When this is 0 for a given r, then r lies on the plane.
 

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1. What is a plane in higher dimensions?

A plane in higher dimensions refers to a flat two-dimensional surface that exists in a space with more than three dimensions. In three-dimensional space, a plane can be represented as a flat sheet of paper, but in higher dimensions, it becomes more complex and difficult to visualize.

2. How many dimensions does a plane in higher dimensions have?

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3. How is a plane in higher dimensions different from a regular plane?

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Planes in higher dimensions are used in various fields of science, such as physics, mathematics, and computer science. They are particularly useful in understanding and visualizing complex systems and phenomena, such as quantum mechanics and string theory.

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