So today I found out that some of my classmates haven't bought a

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The discussion centers around the varying approaches students take towards textbooks in their learning processes, particularly in the context of passing courses without purchasing or using textbooks. Participants explore different methods of learning, the necessity of textbooks, and the implications of not having them.

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  • Some participants express disbelief that classmates can pass courses without textbooks, emphasizing their reliance on textbooks for learning.
  • Others suggest that taking notes during lectures can be sufficient for passing, though they acknowledge that excelling in the subject typically requires more resources.
  • A few participants mention alternative methods of accessing textbook content, such as borrowing from libraries or using online resources.
  • Some participants note that different learning styles exist, with some individuals finding reading less effective than auditory learning.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for students to use pirated copies of textbooks or to borrow from peers, which may not be a sustainable or ethical solution.
  • Instances are shared where textbooks were deemed unnecessary due to course structure, such as classes that do not reference the textbook or rely on online materials instead.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of not having textbooks for certain classes, particularly those that require specific problem sets or character memorization.
  • There are mentions of experiences where textbooks were recommended by professors but were not utilized in practice, raising questions about the necessity of such materials.

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Participants generally express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the necessity of textbooks, with multiple competing views on effective learning strategies and the implications of not using textbooks. The discussion remains unresolved as different perspectives on learning persist.

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Some participants highlight limitations in their access to specific textbooks at libraries, suggesting that availability may vary by institution. Additionally, the discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and learning preferences that influence opinions on textbook usage.

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single textbook.

Mind=blown. How is this even possible? I rely so heavily on my textbook for learning. How is it even possible to NOT read a textbook and still manage to pass? Is there some sort of secret to learning without a textbook that I'm missing here? I literally rely on the textbook for 100% of my learning. In fact, lectures are almost pointless for me. I just go there to waste time, listen to what the prof has to say and get a nice break from studying.
 
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You sure they didn't procure it by "other means"? I don't know how either. I live and die by my textbooks when it comes to learning.
 
You can pass without the need to have a textbook. One may write notes during lectures and find it sufficient to achieve the desired goal, which is 'passing' the course. Of course, that isn't the case if you want to excel in the subject, having more than one book is pretty much expected too.
 
InvalidID said:
single textbook.

Mind=blown. How is this even possible? I rely so heavily on my textbook for learning. How is it even possible to NOT read a textbook and still manage to pass? Is there some sort of secret to learning without a textbook that I'm missing here? I literally rely on the textbook for 100% of my learning. In fact, lectures are almost pointless for me. I just go there to waste time, listen to what the prof has to say and get a nice break from studying.

They probably pick up another person's textbook "by accident" from time to time. I have seen a few classmates do this and one actually took mine. When he returned it, I knew that he had been using it because it looked so abused lol. Throughout the class I noticed he felt a strange entitlement to it.
 
HeLiXe said:
They probably pick up another person's textbook "by accident" from time to time. I have seen a few classmates do this and one actually took mine. When he returned it, I knew that he had been using it because it looked so abused lol. Throughout the class I noticed he felt a strange entitlement to it.

That's *censor*ed up.
 
I am one of these people. I take in everything that was said and will remember it. Reading is useless for me. People just have different ways of leaning
 
I don't buy textbooks unless I intend to keep the book as a reference, which is very rare. If I absolutely need to know something that isn't in the course notes (and I for some reason can't just derive it myself), then I'll do the obvious thing and just go to a library.
 
JackRohr said:
People just have different ways of leaning
language learner proves the routes.

Like, can read and write but not hear or speak, or vice versa.
 
You don't have to buy a book to read it, you can borrow it from a library or a friend!
And yes, it's possible to pass an exam without reading a textbook. I know plenty of people who do that.
 
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Not buying textbooks isn't equivalent to not reading one.

There are numerous free online textbooks and websites which cover a great many things in a lot of depth. My university has access to the MyiLibrary service and a lot of our recommended texts can be viewed in full with unlimited access as long as we're students.

When it comes to "reading around" the subject, I use the internet, i.e. blogs and twitter for that since books don't normally cover the latest science.
 
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My daughter rents her textbooks when she can.
 
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JackRohr said:
I am one of these people. I take in everything that was said and will remember it. Reading is useless for me. People just have different ways of leaning

A lot of classes will have homework assigned from practice problems in the textbooks. What do you do then?

Some classes won't go through everything that is in the textbook, like language classes. Like in my Chinese class, you're expected to learn the characters. You can't just listen to the characters and see them once during a lecture and memorize them. And not all of the characters that will be on the test will be covered in class, so your notes won't suffice.

I've also had a couple of classes that had open book quizzes or tests.

There's a lot of reasons why not having the textbook is just going to hurt you in a lot of classes.
I don't buy textbooks unless I intend to keep the book as a reference, which is very rare. If I absolutely need to know something that isn't in the course notes (and I for some reason can't just derive it myself), then I'll do the obvious thing and just go to a library.
I tried that when I forgot my Linear Algebra book at home. The library didn't have any linear algebra books.
 
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People use pirated electronic copies a lot.
 
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One time in chemistry our professor said at the start of the class that this textbook was so good and everyone *must* have it. Lots of people bought it...and not a single person ever used it that I know of, he never assigned homework from it (that was online) and never made any reference to it in class. Eventually I looked at who wrote it, and his name just happened to be listed as one of the editors. Coincidence? I think not.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
The library didn't have any linear algebra books.

Is that the library of a university that offers any math course ?

I am usually very careful when I buy textbooks. Most of the textbooks that were required in my courses were not that useful so now I only buy books that I know I want to have and will be useful later.
 
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InvalidID said:
That's *censor*ed up.

Tell me about it.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
I tried that when I forgot my Linear Algebra book at home. The library didn't have any linear algebra books.

That's surprising.

Does your university perhaps have a separate library for mathematics textbooks/journals?

My math department had its own library.
 

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