Solar Energy and Green House Effect Question

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The discussion focuses on calculating the greenhouse effect's contribution to Earth's temperature increase. The surface temperature of Earth is noted to be 288 K, while the calculated temperature without greenhouse effects is 255 K, leading to a temperature difference of 33 K. Participants suggest using the Stefan-Boltzmann law to determine the energy radiated by the Earth at both temperatures, with calculations yielding values of 240 W/m² for 255 K and 390 W/m² for 288 K. The proposed method involves finding the difference in radiation (150 W/m²) and expressing it as a fraction of the solar energy absorbed (240 W/m²). This approach simplifies the problem by treating the incoming solar energy as an unknown constant.
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Homework Statement



Negelcting internal heat sources, the surface Temperature of the Earth is calculated to be 255 K. Its actual mean surface Temperature is 288 K. The additional heating results from the greenhouse effect. Regarding this as an internalk heat source, calculate that heat source as a fraction of the energy absorbed from the Sun.

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I am not sure what I am supposed to do exactly, do I just work out the differnect in Temperature and put it over the final temperature (ie \frac{33}{288}) or do I need to work out the energy in Joules using equations?

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That sounds right to me. The energy in joules would be very difficult to calculate and would be very large because the mass of the surface of the Earth would be huge.
 
I think you are supposed to work out how much extra the Earth radiates because it's at 288 K and not at 255K, and divide this by the energy that the Earth gets from the sun.

You can do everything in units of W/m^2.
The heat radiation from the Earth for each square meter is Ct^4. (C an unknown constant)
The intensity of sunlight is 1366 W/m^2 but you can't use that because the sun isn't always directly overhead and it isn't always daytime and there are clouds. You can use an unknown constant for the amount of sunlight received per m^2. (lets call this E)

you know that C(255^4) = E
 
Would this formula be of any use:

Amount of Radiation absorbed:

(1-A)*L_{sun}\frac{\pi r^2}{4\pi D^2}

Where A is the Albedo, r the radius of the Planet, D the distance from the planet to the Sun, L_{Sun} is the Sun's Luminoscity.

?

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Is the Equation in the post above required for this question?

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TFM said:
Is the Equation in the post above required for this question?

TFM

I don't think so. You can use the incoming energy of the sun as an unknown constant. there are some simplifications made here, because the albedo does depend on having an atmosphere, as does convection, evaporation etc. Then there's the day-night and seasonal cycles. There is years of work here.

But I think the only thing you need here is the formula for black body radiation.
 
Does this look right then?

I = \sigma T^4

where sigma is the Stefan Boltzmann Constant, 5.67*10^-8

I_{from sun} = 5.67*10^{-8) * 255^4 gives 240

I_{from greenhouse} = 5.67*10^{-8) * 288^4 gives 390

Would you then:

390-240 = 150

and thus make thge answer: 150/240?

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I think that would be it
 
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