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The discussion focuses on solving a convolution problem involving the functions x(t) = 2e^(-4t)u(t) and e^(2t)u(t) along with t^2σ(t - 2). Participants clarify that σ(t) is the delta function δ(t) and suggest using convolution properties to simplify the problem. The convolution integral is established, and participants discuss the graphical representation of unit step functions to determine limits for integration. Ultimately, they conclude that the limits can be set from 0 to t based on the behavior of the functions involved. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding convolution properties and graphical methods in solving such problems.
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Homework Statement




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x(t) = 2e-4tu(t) * e2tu(t) * t2σ(t - 2)


Homework Equations



Convolution properties:

# "shape of Y (output) is different from x1, x2"

# x1 * x2 = x2 * x1

# x1 * (x2 + x3) = (x1 * x2) + (x1 * x3)

# x1(t) = * x2(t) * x3(t) * ...

# step * ramp = parabolic function

# eatu(t) * ebtu(t) = (1/a-b)[eat - ebt]u(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



2e-4tu(t) * e2tu(t) * t2σ(t - 2)

just doing

2e-4tu(t) * e2tu(t) for now, and using the last property listed:= 2(1/(2+4))[e-4t - e2t]u(t)

= (1/3)[e-4t - e2t]u(t)

I am unsure how to go about doing convolution with the * t2σ(t - 2) at this point, please help. Thanks!
 
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What is σ(t)? I've never seen that function before.

What are you trying to find? You already have x(t). Simplifying?
 
It's a impulse function supposedly (and sadly I don't seem to have any property listed where it's involved). And yes, trying to simplify and do convolution with all of this.
 
Color_of_Cyan said:
It's a impulse function supposedly (and sadly I don't seem to have any property listed where it's involved). And yes, trying to simplify and do convolution with all of this.

OK, I guess σ(t) is what the rest of us call δ(t)?

I suppose you can convolve the first & 2nd terms, the convolve the result with the third.

So why not write the formal convolution integral for the first two terms for a starter.

I'm afraid I don't know any 'shortcut' here.
 
Hah, yes, δ(t). (Of course I forgot the 'δ' symbol was here and my poor eyesight never saw it.)

rude man said:
I suppose you can convolve the first & 2nd terms, the convolve the result with the third.

So why not write the formal convolution integral for the first two terms for a starter.

I'm afraid I don't know any 'shortcut' here.
Okay

(f * g)(t) = 0∫tf(t - τ)g(τ)dτ then, is this it?So if f = 2e-4tu(t) and g = e2tu(t). So it's something like= 0∫t[2e-4(t - τ)u(t - τ)eu(τ)]dτI had to change all the function variables (including inside the 'u(t)') to τ also right? Do I have to also end up integratring the 'u(τ)'? If so, how?
 
Color_of_Cyan said:
Hah, yes, δ(t). (Of course I forgot the 'δ' symbol was here and my poor eyesight never saw it.)


Okay

(f * g)(t) = 0∫tf(t - τ)g(τ)dτ then, is this it?

Permit me to write T = tau, it's a lot easier typing ...

So, proceeding from that integral, with f(t-T) = exp{2(t - T)}U(t - T) and g(T) = 2exp{-4T}U(T), I would change t - T to -(T - t) everywhere in the integrand. Now, graph U(T) and -U(T - t) vs. T and multiply them. Then get rid of the two U functions in the integrand by suitable choice of the upper and lower limits of integration. Then, perform the integration.

The second convolution is done the same way. Remember the sampling property of the delta function: ∫f(x)δ(x - a)dx with upper limit +∞ and lower limit -∞ = f(a).
 
use laplace!
convolution in the time domain becomes multiplication in the frequency domain.
 
donpacino said:
use laplace!
convolution in the time domain becomes multiplication in the frequency domain.

Laplace is limited to t > 0. This is not specified here. But you could use Fourier. I have looked at that but found it harder to do the inversion integral back to the time domain than just plowing ahead solely in the time domain.

BTW there is also the double-sided Laplace transform which no one uses.
 
Sorry for getting back to this late

rude man said:
Permit me to write T = tau, it's a lot easier typing ...

So, proceeding from that integral, with f(t-T) = exp{2(t - T)}U(t - T) and g(T) = 2exp{-4T})U(T), I would change t - T to -(T - t) everywhere in the integrand.

So you have the convolution for the first two terms as:

= 0t[exp(2(t - T))u(t - T)][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT

Does changing it to -(T - t) help simply it? It would appear as this:

= 0t[exp(-2(T - t))u(-1(T - t))][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT

rude man said:
Now, graph U(T) and -U(T - t) vs. T and multiply them.

Can you explain this? Graph any unit step function?

rude man said:
Laplace is limited to t > 0. This is not specified here. But you could use Fourier. I have looked at that but found it harder to do the inversion integral back to the time domain than just plowing ahead solely in the time domain.

BTW there is also the double-sided Laplace transform which no one uses.

In the class this convolution problem actually came before we formally covered Laplace / Fourier (which I will also need help on later).
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
So you have the convolution for the first two terms as:

0t[exp(2(t - T))u(t - T)][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT

I just noticed you meant the lower limit of integration to be 0. It should be -∞. (BTW the upper limit should also be ∞. You can make the upper limit t in this case, it makes no difference here). Otherwise, good.
Does changing it to -(T - t) help simply it? It would appear as this:

= -∞t[exp(-2(T - t))u(-1(T - t))][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT

Yes, it clarifies the next step.
Can you explain this? Graph any unit step function?

Yes I can. I goofed! :redface:
I should have said "graph U(T) and U[-(T-t)] vs. T".

Can you graph U(x) vs. x?
U(x - a) vs. x?
U(-x) vs. x?
U[-(x-a)} vs. x?
You can do them all just by remembering
U(ζ) = 0, ζ < 0
U(ζ) = 1, ζ > 0.
 
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rude man said:
I just noticed you meant the lower limit of integration to be 0. It should be -∞. (BTW the upper limit should also be ∞. You can make the upper limit t in this case, it makes no difference here). Otherwise, good.

Should it be -∞ to +∞ for the whole property or just for this problem? I don't think I quite understand that. I'll take your word for it though, so I think it would now be:

-∞[exp(2(t - T))u(t - T)][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT


rude man said:
I should have said "graph U(T) and U[-(T-t)] vs. T".

Can you graph U(x) vs. x?
U(x - a) vs. x?
U(-x) vs. x?
U[-(x-a)} vs. x?
You can do them all just by remembering
U(ζ) = 0, ζ < 0
U(ζ) = 1, ζ > 0.

Isn't this just the unit step graph property? Or what's the name or term for this if it isn't? What would be 'ζ' (if this is what you are basing the graph on)? I still can not see how this is supposed to help unless you are trying to hint at doing graphical convolution.
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
Should it be -∞ to +∞ for the whole property or just for this problem? I don't think I quite understand that. I'll take your word for it though, so I think it would now be:

-∞[exp(2(t - T))u(t - T)][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT
That is the general definition for the convolution integral. Often, depending on the problem, -∞ can be replaced by 0 and +∞ by t, but it's always correct to use the infinite + and - limits. Just keep in mind that if the integrand is identically zero below and/or above certain values then the infinite limits can be replaced by those respective values. This is the key idea I'm trying to point out in doing the U graphs. U(T)U{-(T-t)} has zero value below and above certain values. What are those values?
Isn't this just the unit step graph property? Or what's the name or term for this if it isn't? What would be 'ζ' (if this is what you are basing the graph on)? I still can not see how this is supposed to help unless you are trying to hint at doing graphical convolution.

No, I don't want you to do any graphical convolution. I am suggesting that by graphing the two U functions and multiplying them graphically you will know what the upper & lower limits of integration are for evaluating the actual convolution integral.

Maybe you can figure out the limits of integration by looking at U(T)U{-(T-t)} some other way, but doing it graphically is real easy.

ζ was just a dummy variable.
 
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rude man said:
I am suggesting that by graphing the two U functions and multiplying them graphically you will know what the upper & lower limits of integration are for evaluating the actual convolution integral.

Maybe you can figure out the limits of integration by looking at U(T)U{-(T-t)} some other way, but doing it graphically is real easy.

ζ was just a dummy variable.

This will sound real bad, but I'm afraid I haven't really heard of graphical multiplication before.

Are you saying you want me to graph exp(-2(T - t)) and 2exp(-4T)?


Also my bad the integral in my last post was supposed to now be this:

-∞[exp(-2(T - t))u(-1(T - t))][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT
 
  • #14
Color_of_Cyan said:
This will sound real bad, but I'm afraid I haven't really heard of graphical multiplication before.

Are you saying you want me to graph exp(-2(T - t)) and 2exp(-4T)?

No, I want you to graph U(T) and -U{(T-t)}, then multiply them into one graph.
Please start with graphig these two functions separately, we can't go on until you do.
Also my bad the integral in my last post was supposed to now be this:

-∞[exp(-2(T - t))u(-1(T - t))][2exp(-4T)u(T)]dT

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That's fine, that was correct also but this way the integration becomes more apparent, with t = constant in the integration.
 
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rude man said:
No, I want you to graph U(T) and -U{(T-t)}, then multiply them into one graph.
Please start with graphig these two functions separately, we can't go on until you do.

Okay, I'm not sure if these are correct I don't really know what T is:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/547x297q90/909/MvuSyH.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/547x297q90/673/owhtZD.jpg
 
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  • #16
T is your horizontal axis.

You got U(T) right.
You got -U{(T-t)} wrong. You graphed -U(T) instead.
When is -U(x) = 0? = 1? Now let x = T - t. t is a constant in this. T is your variable. Try again ...
 
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So it's shifted then, is that what you are saying?:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/547x297q90/537/vHAo1X.jpg
 
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Sorry, I keep saying -U when I mean U(-).
So you want to graph U{-(T - t)}.
Change (T-t) to t on the horizontal (T) axis and you'd be there.
Now, multiply the two graphs into one new graph.
It's real easy if you understand
0 x 0 = 0
0 x 1 = 0
1 x 0 = 0
1 x 1 = 1
 
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Sorry for getting back to this super late again (site moved and I had some comp problems).

rude man said:
Sorry, I keep saying -U when I mean U(-).
So you want to graph U{-(T - t)}.
Change (T-t) to t on the horizontal (T) axis and you'd be there.
Now, multiply the two graphs into one new graph.
It's real easy if you understand
0 x 0 = 0
0 x 1 = 0
1 x 0 = 0
1 x 1 = 1

Does it mean the first graph (u(t)) is 0 and the second graph (U(-1(T - t))) is 1? I can not really see yet as to how these help with convolution integrals?
 
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Bump, also forgot to post the graph, does multiplying the two graphs mean it will be the same as u(T) if u(T) is 0?

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/547x297q90/909/MvuSyH.jpg
 
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  • #21
Color_of_Cyan said:
Sorry for getting back to this super late again (site moved and I had some comp problems).
Does it mean the first graph (u(t)) is 0 and the second graph (U(-1(T - t))) is 1?

No. Graph the product U(T)*U{-(T-t)} as you go along the T axis from T = - infinity to T = + infinity. (You can actually go from a small negative T to a bit above T=t).

I can not really see yet as to how these help with convolution integrals?

Those two U's appear in your convolution ingtegral! Look again at post 13.
 
  • #22
rude man said:
No. Graph the product U(T)*U{-(T-t)} as you go along the T axis from T = - infinity to T = + infinity. (You can actually go from a small negative T to a bit above T=t).
Those two U's appear in your convolution ingtegral! Look again at post 13.

Okay, so like this then?:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/479x260q90/674/Smf0nJ.jpg

I'm guessing now you can say that the limit goes from 0 to t or something similar then, right?
 
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  • #23
Color_of_Cyan said:
Okay, so like this then?:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/479x260q90/674/Smf0nJ.jpg

I'm guessing now you can say that the limit goes from 0 to t or something similar then, right?

Congratulations! You have scaled the heights.

Now, last big step for this first convolution: remove U(T)U{-(T-t)} from your convolution integral by suitably setting the upper and lower limits of integration.
 
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  • #24
0t[exp(-2(T - t))][2exp(-4T)]dT

and now here I may need to review all the math down from here but I think it goes like this:

= 20t[exp(-2(T - t))][exp(-4T)]dT

= 20t[exp(-6T - 2t)]dT

= 2[exp(-6T - 2t)]/-6

= -3[exp(-6T - 2t)] | t0

= -3[exp(-8t)] ?
 
  • #25
Color_of_Cyan said:
0t[exp(-2(T - t))][2exp(-4T)]dT

Great step!
and now here I may need to review all the math down from here but I think it goes like this:

= 20t[exp(-2(T - t))][exp(-4T)]dT

= 20t[exp(-6T - 2t)]dT

Check this - small error made. I also suggest since t is a constant here taking the t term outside the integral sign.

Review your freshman calculus if necessary; you'll sink if you don't get this firmed up.
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Oh right so it's actually this now:

= -3[exp(-6T + 2t)] | t0

= -3[exp(-4t)]. Also forgot the T = 0 part though so would it actually be this?:

= -3[exp(-4t)] + 3[exp(-2t)]

= 3[-exp(-4t) + exp(-2t)] ?
 
  • #27
Color_of_Cyan said:
Oh right so it's actually this now:

= -3[exp(-6T + 2t)] | t0

Doesn't look like you integrated.

Fact: ∫exp(bx)dx = (1/b) exp(bx) + constant
 
  • #28
I think I skipped a step there... I was integrating this:

20t[exp(-6T + 2t)]dT

= 2(exp(-6T + 2t))/-6 and then +c |0t (the c will cancel itself out later)

oh woops i swapped the 2 and -6 so it's really this now:

= (-1/3)(exp(-6T + 2t))|0t

(Assuming if you remember doing (d/dT)eT don't you just bring the derivative of whatever is in T down?)

= (-1/3)(exp(-4T)) + (1/3)(exp(2t))
 
  • #29
Color_of_Cyan said:
I think I skipped a step there... I was integrating this:

20t[exp(-6T + 2t)]dT

= 2(exp(-6T + 2t))/-6 and then +c |0t (the c will cancel itself out later)

oh woops i swapped the 2 and -6 so it's really this now:

= (-1/3)(exp(-6T + 2t))|0t

(Assuming if you remember doing (d/dT)eT don't you just bring the derivative of whatever is in T down?)

= (-1/3)(exp(-4T)) + (1/3)(exp(2t))

Sorry, still not right. You need to review basic integral calculus & maybe even handling exponentials. Like exp(a+b) = exp(a)*exp(b).
 
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rude man said:
Sorry, still not right. You need to review basic integral calculus & maybe even handling exponentials. Like exp(a+b) = exp(a)*exp(b).
Can I ask why?

I just can't see what I did wrong now. I pulled down the -6 and as far as I know don't have to worry about the +2t (because it is a constant here and it was in an exp)? Doesn't look like I did anything wrong with the exp(a+b) = exp(a)*exp(b) either. And I think the + c will always cancel due to it being a definite integral (Fundamental Theorem of Calculus).
 
  • #31
Color_of_Cyan said:
Can I ask why?

I just can't see what I did wrong now. I pulled down the -6 and as far as I know don't have to worry about the +2t (because it is a constant here and it was in an exp)? Doesn't look like I did anything wrong with the exp(a+b) = exp(a)*exp(b) either. And I think the + c will always cancel due to it being a definite integral (Fundamental Theorem of Calculus).

Going back to post 29:
2 0∫t [exp(-6T + 2t)]dT
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right

= 2(exp(-6T + 2t))/-6 and then +c |0t (the c will cancel itself out later)

wrong. What's with the "c"?? You're supposed to evaluate a definite integral, between 0 and t.
NM about exponentiation. That wasn't the problem. The problem is you didn't evaluate the definite integral.

Again, I recommend removing the exp(2t) term outside the integral sign before integrating:

2 0∫t [exp(-6T + 2t)]dT = 2exp(2t) ∫0t exp(-6T)dT
 
  • #32
rude man said:
2 0∫t [exp(-6T + 2t)]dT = 2exp(2t) ∫0t exp(-6T)dT
Ahhh I didn't really see this :) Hopefully this is forgivable.

ok so (I think) the integral is actually this now:

20t[exp(-6T)exp(2t)]dT

= 2exp(2t)0t[exp(-6T)dT

= [2exp(2t)exp(-6T)]/-6 | 0t

= -(1/3)exp(2t)exp(-6T) | 0t

= -(1/3)exp(2t)exp(-6t) + (1/3)exp(2t)

= -(1/3)exp(-4t) + (1/3)exp(2t)

= (1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)]

And the u(t) would be permanently gone from this convolution result then? Do I take this result and just do convolution with the last term now?
 
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  • #33
Color_of_Cyan said:
Ahhh I didn't really see this :) Hopefully this is forgivable.

ok so (I think) the integral is actually this now:

20t[exp(-6T)exp(2t)]dT

= 2exp(2t)0t[exp(-6T)dT

= [2exp(2t)exp(-6T)]/-6 | 0t

= -(1/3)exp(2t)exp(-6T) | 0t

= -(1/3)exp(2t)exp(-6t) + (1/3)exp(2t)

= -(1/3)exp(-4t) + (1/3)exp(2t)

= (1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)]
Right!

And the u(t) would be permanently gone from this convolution result then? Do I take this result and just do convolution with the last term now?

Yes. Can you see how you combined the removal of the U(T) and U(t-T) functions and changing the limits of integration from + & - infinity to 0 to t? You have to really understand this.

Then, ready for the second convolution? It's easier than the first, thanks to the miracle of integrating the product of a function and a delta function. No integration knowledge necessary!
 
  • #34
So it's this now:

(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)] * t2δ(t - 2)

To refresh:
(f * g)(t) = -∞f(t - τ)g(τ)dτ

f has to become f(t-T)
g has to become f(t)

If I make the delta function part be f(t-T) then it would be this?:

-∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - 2)]dT

rude man said:
Then, ready for the second convolution? It's easier than the first, thanks to the miracle of integrating the product of a function and a delta function. No integration knowledge necessary!

I think I still need work with this too. I am not sure if I understand the sampling property.
 
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  • #35
Color_of_Cyan said:
So it's this now:

(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)] * t2δ(t - 2)

To refresh:
(f * g)(t) = -∞f(t - τ)g(τ)dτ

If I make the delta function part be f(t-T) then it would be this?:

-∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - 2)]dT

check δ(t - 2).
I think I still need work with this too. I am not sure if I understand the sampling property.

Fact: δ(x) is an even function: δ(-x) = δ(x).
Sampling function: ∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx = f(a). The integration limits can be anything so long as they include x=a. So they can for example be + and - infinity. Notice you don't need to know how to integrate f(x)!
 
  • #36
rude man said:
check δ(t - 2).

Ok so it was actually this then?: (t - T - 2):

-∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - T - 2)]dT ??

rude man said:
Fact: δ(x) is an even function: δ(-x) = δ(x).
Sampling function: ∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx = f(a). The integration limits can be anything so long as they include x=a. So they can for example be + and - infinity. Notice you don't need to know how to integrate f(x)!

I can't seem to understand or see what is f(a) or f(x) in this case. But, if everything above is correct so far now, then according to only the 'tricks' I already know with this then:

t = T + 2 (because it is inside the 'δ')

Which is then substituted above into this:

(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2

and so it becomes this:

(1/3)[-exp(-4(T+2)) + exp(2(T+2))][(2)2

= (4/3)[-exp(-4(T+2)) + exp(2(T+2))]

or was it supposed to be

T = t + 2 or something?
 
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  • #37
Bump, was this the final answer? I think I had the correct procedure but not completely sure (and I think I probably did something wrong).
 
  • #38
Color_of_Cyan said:
Ok so it was actually this then?: (t - T - 2):

-∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - T - 2)]dT ??
I urge you to think hard about post 35. I gave you 2 hints and both are important. Take the first hint first, then the second.

Correct up to here.
One last hint: x = T.
t is again a constant in the integration over T.
Figure out what a must be.

I have to quit here lest I wind up in trouble with the Authorities, divulging too much.
If you post your final answer I'll tell you if it's right or wrong.
 
  • #39
Ah, I think you mean that it was actually supposed to be T = t - 2 instead (still inside the 'δ'):

Then still substituted into this:

(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2

and so it becomes this:

(1/3)[-exp(-4(t-2)) + exp(2(t-2))][(t - (t - 2))2

= (1/3)[-exp(-4(t-2)) + exp(2(t-2))][(t - t + 2))2

= (1/3)[-exp(-4(t-2)) + exp(2(t-2))(2)2= (4/3)[-exp(-4(t-2)) + exp(2(t-2))] for my final answer (?).
 
  • #40
Nope. What is your a? What is the delta function inside the integral?
 
  • #41
rude man said:
Nope. What is your a? What is the delta function inside the integral?
'δ(t - T - 2)'

rude man said:
Fact: δ(x) is an even function: δ(-x) = δ(x).
Sampling function: ∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx = f(a). The integration limits can be anything so long as they include x=a.

Still can't see it from the hints you gave but I thought you meant just solve for the inside (and you can since the limits are from -∞ to +∞ right?). And if x = T I think the whole thing means it becomes an integral with dT and you solve for T so that's what I thought you meant, but I guess I'm still missing something.
 
  • #42
Color_of_Cyan said:
'δ(t - T - 2)'

Right. So if that's δ(x-a) and x = T, what is a?
I think the whole thing means it becomes an integral with dT and you solve for T so that's what I thought you meant, but I guess I'm still missing something.

If it's an integral with dT you don't solve for T. T disappears ...
 
  • #43
Well the first hint was kind of something that didn't really make much sense to me and afraid to try the first time, that it was δ(x) = δ(-x) so it could be both -T and +T??

I'm going to say now (flipping the negative sign inside) that a = -t + 2
 
  • #44
Nope. What does your δ function look like inside the final convolution integral?
 
  • #45
Okay wait, let me check this again.

So if that's δ(x-a) and x = T, what is a?

t - T - 2 = x - a
at the same time
x = T

t - T - 2 = T - a

t - 2 = 2T - a

a = -t + 2 + 2T?
 
  • #46
Color_of_Cyan said:
Okay wait, let me check this again.
t - T - 2 = x - a
at the same time
x = T

t - T - 2 = T - a

t - 2 = 2T - a

a = -t + 2 + 2T?

Go back to post 44. Better yet, show us your entire final convolution integral.
 
  • #47
-∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - T - 2)]dT

∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx = f(a)

So I would still have at least the "[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)]" part because I would still pull them from the integral, right? Would I have to replace any of the variables in the delta function?

I think I should also probably say I never really took statistics so I don't really know much about dummy variables. If this is just algebra now I'm also having a difficult time understanding it.
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
-∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - T - 2)]dT

That is right. But comparing that with ∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx = f(a), with x = T, what is a? You need to get the delta function looking like δ(T - a). Look again at my hint back in post 35.
So I would still have at least the "[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)]" part because I would still pull them from the integral, right?

No, you will replace t with T and since you're integrating over T you can't pull that expression out of the integral sign.

But as I said before when you finally 'get it' you will realize that no actual integration needs to be done.
I think I should also probably say I never really took statistics so I don't really know much about dummy variables. If this is just algebra now I'm also having a difficult time understanding it.

Has nothing to do with statistics. Dummy variables are used everywhere in integral calculus. Sometimes people 'cheat' and don't use them but that is rigorously incorrect.

Example: s(t) = ∫0t v(t')dt' is position s given velocity v from t=0 to t. It is incorrect to write ∫0t v(t)dt. t' is a dummy variable & disappears with the integration.
 
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Okay, so -∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - T - 2)]dT

δ(t - T - 2)

Then to make it like you say as this:

∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx = f(a); x = T, what is a?

multiply the inside by -1 so the Delta function is this:

δ-1(T - t + 2)

-a = -t + 2, from the above?

a = t - 2

rude man said:
No, you will replace t with T and since you're integrating over T you can't pull that expression out of the integral sign.

Does this mean t = T + 2 for the rest of the expression?

rude man said:
Has nothing to do with statistics. Dummy variables are used everywhere in integral calculus. Sometimes people 'cheat' and don't use them but that is rigorously incorrect.

Example: s(t) = ∫0t v(t')dt' is position s given velocity v from t=0 to t. It is incorrect to write ∫0t v(t)dt. t' is a dummy variable & disappears with the integration.

No but with there you change them to help you integrate (if you're doing u-sub or by parts) you switch to U or dv then substitute, integrate, and then switch them back. Here I don't see how it's supposed to help (even though you said you don't really have to integrate anything in this case).
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
Okay, so -∞[(1/3)[-exp(-4t) + exp(2t)][(t - T)2δ(t - T - 2)]dT

δ(t - T - 2)
a = t - 2
Good up to here.
Then to make it like you say as this:

multiply the inside by -1 so the Delta function is this:

δ-1(T - t + 2)

Look again at hint #1 of post 35. How did I get from δ(x) to δ(-x)?
Does this mean t = T + 2 for the rest of the expression?

No but with there you change them to help you integrate (if you're doing u-sub or by parts) you switch to U or dv then substitute, integrate, and then switch them back. Here I don't see how it's supposed to help (even though you said you don't really have to integrate anything in this case).

Look again at hint #2 of post 35. Did I have to integrate f(x) to get ∫f(x)δ(x-a)dx?
 
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