Solve De Broglie Waves Homework

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving de Broglie wavelengths in the context of atomic structure. The original poster presents a scenario with a classical atom and its nucleus, seeking to determine the kinetic energy of an electron based on its de Broglie wavelength, which is equated to the size of the atom.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between de Broglie wavelength, momentum, and kinetic energy. Some question the relevance of the nucleus's size and the application of the Rydberg formula in this context.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants providing guidance on the relationships between physical quantities involved. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the use of certain formulas and the parameters needed for calculations.

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Participants note the potential misapplication of the Rydberg formula and express uncertainty about the necessity of certain given values, such as the nucleus's size, in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


Atoms are on the order of one Angstrom (A) or 10-10m in size while the diameter of the nucleus is approximately one hundred thousand times smaller. Let's pretend we have a "classical" atom where both the atom and its nucleus have a defined position and size. (This it contrary to the laws of quantum mechanics which appear to be true, but it's not a bad approximation.) Our atom has an diameter of 1 A and a nucleus that's 1.1 X10-15m in diameter. What is kinetic energy of a an electron whose de Brogile wave length is equal to the size of this atom?

Homework Equations


r1= nsquared*r
r2=nsquared*r
1/λ = R (1/(n1 squared) - 1/(n2 squared))
λ=hc/E

The Attempt at a Solution


r1= nsquared*r
(1.1E-15 m / 2)=nsquared*(5.29E-11 m)
n1=0.00322

r2=nsquared*r
(10E-10 m / 2)=nsquared*(5.29E-11 m)
n2=0.9722

1/λ = R (1/(n1 squared) - 1/(n2 squared))
1/λ = (10973731.6 inverse meters)(1/0.00322 squared - 1/0.9722 squared)
λ = 9.4485E-13

λ=hc/E
9.4485E-13 = (6.63E-34 J*s)(3E8 m/s) / E
E=2.1051E-13 J = 1314042.476 eV

Please help! I'm not even sure if I'm approaching the problem correctly.
 
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Take the size of the atom to be = diameter of 1 A (10-10 m) = \lambda.

What is the expression for the de Broglie wavelength in terms of the particle's momentum?

What is the relationship between momentum and kinetic energy?
 
I think you're trying to use the Rydberg formula? I'm afraid that that's conceptually wrong. The Rydberg formula gives the difference between energy levels at set radii, and you can't treat the position of the nucleus as an energy level.
As it happens, I don't understand why you've been given the size of the nucleus. The key phrases as far as I can see are "De broglie wavelength" and "size of the atom". You know the size of the atom. You have a formula relating energy and de broglie wavelength...
 
KE = momentum squared / 2m
I'm unsure what to plug in for m though.
 
Well, you could use the mass of an electron :-p
But if you read your own post again you'll find you don't have to...
 
Oh okay I figured it out. Thanks a bunch!
 

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