Solve for Velocity of Toy Car Accelerating with Rocket-Type Engine

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A toy car accelerates with a rocket-type engine for 20 meters, experiencing an acceleration of 5 m/s² over a 3-second burn. The initial calculation using the formula v = v_i + at yields a velocity of 15 m/s, which is valid for uniform acceleration. However, an alternative method using s = v_f t - 1/2 a t² results in a velocity of 14.2 m/s, leading to confusion. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly distinguishing between constant and variable terms in physics equations, emphasizing that initial velocity (v_i) is a constant, not a variable. This misunderstanding illustrates common mistakes in high school physics.
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Here is the question, it is very simple.

A toy car accelerates by means of a rocket-type engine for 20 m. If the acceleration during the burn is 5 m/s^2 and the burn lasts for 3 s, determine the velocity of the car at the end of the burn.

It seems like the obvious one, and we use.

v=v_i + at

...and we get 15. This works for uniform acceleration, which it says it is.

They are using...

s = v_f t - 1/2 a t^2

They got that by differentiating from v_i, instead of the usual v_f

In the end, they get 14.2 m/s.
 
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JasonRox said:
Here is the question, it is very simple.

A toy car accelerates by means of a rocket-type engine for 20 m. If the acceleration during the burn is 5 m/s^2 and the burn lasts for 3 s, determine the velocity of the car at the end of the burn.

It seems like the obvious one, and we use.

v=v_i + at

...and we get 15. This works for uniform acceleration, which it says it is.

They are using...

s = v_f t - 1/2 a t^2

They got that by differentiating from v_i, instead of the usual v_f

In the end, they get 14.2 m/s.

Er... you can't just switch around the "variable" in the problem. In

v=v_i + at

v_i is a constant of integration that corresponds to the initial condition, where as v is THE variable, i.e. v=v(t).

This means that v = ds/dt. You cannot equate v_i as ds/dt because v_i IS A CONSTANT with respect to time. So that last equation is meaningless. This explains why you have a discrepancy in your answer.

Zz.
 
Hmm... you learn something everyday!

So, I guess I'm right about that. Also, this is high school physics, too. Mistakes are everywhere. Graphs are all messed up.

Anyways, I didn't realize that the variable cannot be a constant.
 
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