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The discussion revolves around solving the equation \(x^2+\dfrac {9x^2}{(x-3)^2}=16\). Participants explore different methods to find the value of \(x\), including both trigonometric and non-trigonometric approaches.

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  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant presents a solution that is described as workable but tedious.
  • Another participant expresses agreement with the solution, acknowledging its tedious nature and compliments the solver's skills in trigonometry.
  • A third participant offers a solution that does not involve trigonometry.
  • A subsequent reply also acknowledges the non-trigonometric solution positively.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the presented solutions, though they note the tediousness of one approach. Multiple methods are discussed, but no consensus on a single preferred method is established.

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Some solutions may depend on specific assumptions or definitions related to the methods used, but these are not fully explored in the discussion.

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$x^2+\dfrac {9x^2}{(x-3)^2}=16$
 
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Re: find x

My workable but a bit tedious solution(Tongueout):

By dividing both sides of the equation by $x^2$, we get:

$1+\left( \dfrac{3}{x-3} \right)^2=\left( \dfrac{4}{x} \right)^2$

Let $\dfrac{3}{x-3}=\tan y$, $\therefore\dfrac{4}{x}=\dfrac{4\tan y}{3(1+\tan y)}$ and the equation above becomes

$1+\tan^2 y=\left( \dfrac{4\tan y}{3(1+\tan y)} \right)^2$, which after simplification, we get

$\sec y= \dfrac{4\tan y}{3(1+\tan y)} $.

By rewriting $\sec y= \dfrac{4\tan y}{3(1+\tan y)} $ as another equation that involves only $\sin y$ and $\cos y$, we obtain

$3(\sin y+\cos y)=4\sin y \cos y$

Solving it by squaring both sides of the equation we have

$4\sin^2 2y-9\sin 2y-9=0$

$\sin 2y=3$ or $\sin 2y=-\dfrac{3}{4}$ (Since $\sin 2y\le 1$, $\sin 2y=-\dfrac{3}{4}$ is the only solution.)

$\sin 2y=-\dfrac{3}{4}$ tells us $2y$ lies in the third and fourth quadrant.

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[TR]
[TD]For $2y$ that lies in the third quadrant:[/TD]
[TD]For $2y$ that lies in the fourth quadrant:[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]$\tan 2y=\dfrac{3}{\sqrt{7}}$[/TD]
[TD]$\tan 2y=-\dfrac{3}{\sqrt{7}}$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$\dfrac{2\tan y}{1-\tan^2 y}=\dfrac{3}{\sqrt{7}}$
Solving the equation for $\tan y$ and takes only the negative result, we see that
$\tan y=\dfrac{4-\sqrt{7}}{3}$

By replacing $\tan y=\dfrac{4-\sqrt{7}}{3}$ into $\dfrac{3}{x-3}=\tan y$, we get the value of $x$ as

$x=\sqrt{7}-1$[/TD]
[TD]$\dfrac{2\tan y}{1-\tan^2 y}=-\dfrac{3}{\sqrt{7}}$
Solving the equation for $\tan y$ and takes only the negative result, we see that
$\tan y=\dfrac{4-\sqrt{7}}{3}$

By replacing $\tan y=\dfrac{\sqrt{7}-4}{3}$ into $\dfrac{3}{x-3}=\tan y$, we get the value of $x$ as

$x=-\sqrt{7}-1$[/TD]
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Re: find x

thanks ! your solution is correct ( a bit tedious solution as you said )
I think you are very good at trigonometry:)
 
Re: find x

Albert said:
thanks ! your solution is correct ( a bit tedious solution as you said )
I think you are very good at trigonometry:)

Thanks for the compliment, Albert! You just made my day! And I think you're really good at geometry!:)
 
Re: find x

Solution without trigonometry:
The given equation can be written as
$$\left(x+\frac{3x}{x-3}\right)^2-\frac{2\cdot x\cdot 3x}{x-3}=16$$
$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{x^2}{x-3}\right)^2-\frac{6x^2}{x-3}-16=0$$
Let $\frac{x^2}{x-3}=t$. Hence, we have:
$$t^2-6t-16=0$$
Solving we get, $t=8,-2$.

Case i), when $t=8$,
$$\frac{x^2}{x-3}=8 \Rightarrow x^2-8x+24=0$$
Clearly, the above equation has no solution as the discriminant is less than zero.

Case ii), when $t=-2$,
$$\frac{x^2}{x-3}=-2 \Rightarrow x^2+2x-6=0$$
Solving for x, we get, $x=-1+\sqrt{7},-1-\sqrt{7}$.
 
Re: find x

Pranav said:
Solution without trigonometry:
The given equation can be written as
$$\left(x+\frac{3x}{x-3}\right)^2-\frac{2\cdot x\cdot 3x}{x-3}=16$$
$$\Rightarrow \left(\frac{x^2}{x-3}\right)^2-\frac{6x^2}{x-3}-16=0$$
Let $\frac{x^2}{x-3}=t$. Hence, we have:
$$t^2-6t-16=0$$
Solving we get, $t=8,-2$.

Case i), when $t=8$,
$$\frac{x^2}{x-3}=8 \Rightarrow x^2-8x+24=0$$
Clearly, the above equation has no solution as the discriminant is less than zero.

Case ii), when $t=-2$,
$$\frac{x^2}{x-3}=-2 \Rightarrow x^2+2x-6=0$$
Solving for x, we get, $x=-1+\sqrt{7},-1-\sqrt{7}$.
very good :)
 

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