Solve Herstein's Abstract Algebra Problem: Can u = 4n+3 be Written as a^2 + b^2?

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The discussion revolves around proving that a number of the form u = 4n + 3 cannot be expressed as the sum of two squares, a^2 + b^2, where a and b are natural numbers. Participants explore the implications of the parity of a and b, noting that one must be odd and the other even. A hint is provided to consider the remainders when a^2 + b^2 is divided by 4. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these properties to tackle the problem effectively. Overall, the thread seeks to clarify the conditions under which such a representation is impossible.
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This isn't homework, but I'll post it anyways because I'd like to know.

It's from Herstein's Abstract Algebra.

Show that if u = 4n + 3, where n\inN, then you can not write u in the from u = a^2 + b^2, where a,b\inN.

I feel silly for asking this, but I'm curious to know.

The one thing I do, which is obvious is that if a is odd, then b is even because u is odd. But I don't think you need this fact to solve it.

Any directions?

Please do not post solutions!
 
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JasonRox said:
This isn't homework, but I'll post it anyways because I'd like to know.

It's from Herstein's Abstract Algebra.

Show that if u = 4n + 3, where n\inN, then you can not write u in the from u = a^2 + b^2, where a,b\inN.

I feel silly for asking this, but I'm curious to know.

The one thing I do, which is obvious is that if a is odd, then b is even because u is odd. But I don't think you need this fact to solve it.

Any directions?

Please do not post solutions!
Okay, I'll give you a hint:
So one of a, and b must be odd, and the other is an even number, right?
So let a = 2k, b = 2x + 1 (k, x are all integers).
Now what's a2 + b2? If you divide a2 + b2 by 4, what's the remainder?
You can take it from here, right? :)
 
VietDao29 said:
Okay, I'll give you a hint:
So one of a, and b must be odd, and the other is an even number, right?
So let a = 2k, b = 2x + 1 (k, x are all integers).
Now what's a2 + b2? If you divide a2 + b2 by 4, what's the remainder?
You can take it from here, right? :)

That's exactly what I did!

I knew something wasn't right when I was looking at it.

I'll give it another shot thanks.
 
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