Solve Particle Equilibrium Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem involving a 4.4-kg block suspended from a pulley, with a sag of 0.15 m in the cord. Participants analyze the forces acting on the system, using equations for tension and equilibrium, while addressing the geometry of the setup. Key points include the assumption of a frictionless pulley and the need to express forces accurately without introducing rounding errors. The final force in cord ABC is calculated to be approximately 35.97 N, with clarification on notation to avoid confusion. The conversation emphasizes the importance of clear assumptions and precise calculations in solving equilibrium problems.
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Homework Statement


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If the 4.4-kg block is suspended from the pulley B and the sag of the cord is d = 0.15 m, determine the force in cord ABC. Neglect the size of the pulley. (Figure 1)
Express your answer to three significant figures and include the appropriate units.

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r(BC) = (x^2 + .15^2)^.5
r(AB) = [(.4-x)^2 + (.15^2)]

T(x) = r(BC)cos(theta) - r(AB)cos(theta)
T(y) = r(BC)sin(theta) + r(AB)sin(theta) - 43.164

I tried adding r(BC) + r(AB) and then grphing to find the zeros but that was wrong.

I also have; x/cos(theta) + .4-x/cos(theta) = .4cos(theta)

not sure how to proceed.
 

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Hi Robb,

Is there a reason to assume ##x\ne0.2## m ?
 
Can I assume it's centered?
 
Robb said:
Can I assume it's centered?
You are given that A and C are on the same horizontal level. You have correctly presumed that the angle is the same each side (if anything, that was the step that needs some physics to justify). If the vertical through B meets AC at E, what can you say about triangles AEB, CEB?
 
I suppose they are equal. I guess I don't like to make that assumption without proof. I suppose they would have to be though, given that the pulley would be assumed to be frictionless. Is that a correct assumption?
 
Robb said:
I suppose they are equal. I guess I don't like to make that assumption without proof. I suppose they would have to be though, given that the pulley would be assumed to be frictionless. Is that a correct assumption?
Yes. If there were static friction in the pulley then there would be a range of answers.
 
So, shouldn't T(ABC) = -43.164N?
 
Robb said:
So, shouldn't T(ABC) = -43.164N?
Not what I get, and it certainly cannot be negative.
Please post your working.
 
F(x) = 0; F(BC)cos37 - F(BA)cos37
F(y) =0; F(BC)sin37 + F(BA)sin37 - 43.164
F(BC) = F(BA)
-.6435F(BC) - .6435F(BC) = 43.164
F(BC) = 33.5359N
 
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Robb said:
F(x) = 0; F(BC)cos37 - F(BA)cos37
F(y) =0; F(BC)sin37 + F(BA)sin37 - 43.164
F(BC) = F(BA)
-.6435F(BC) - .6435F(BC) = 43.164
F(BC) = 33.5359N
Ok.
Two issues.
1. Where did those minus signs come from in the line before last (which you then ignored to get the last line)?
2. There is no need to find the angle. Doing so has introduced some rounding error. The sine and cosine are exactly 0.6 and 0.8.
 
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1. good question

I see what you're saying about not needing the angle.

F(x)=0; F(BC)(0.8) - F(BA)0.8)= 0
F(y)=0; F(BC)(0.6) + F(BA)(0.6) -43.164=0

F(BC)=F(BA)
1.2F(AC) = 43.164
F(AC) = 35.97

I assume this is the force in cord ABC?
 
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Robb said:
1. good question

I see what you're saying about not needing the angle.

F(x)=0; F(BC)(0.8) - F(BA)0.8)= 0
F(y)=0; F(BC)(0.6) + F(BA)(0.6) -43.164=0

F(BC)=F(BA)
1.2F(AC) = 43.164
F(AC) = 35.97

I assume this is the force in cord ABC?
Yes. But I would not have written F(AC); that's a bit confusing since there is nothing acting along the straight line AC. You could write F(ABC), or just leave it as F(AB).
 
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