Solve the algebraic equation,Galois group of FF, and prove/disprove.

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The discussion revolves around solving an algebraic equation, specifically a quartic polynomial, and exploring the solvability of a quadratic equation in 7-adic numbers. Additionally, participants are examining the Galois group associated with a finite field extension.

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  • Participants discuss the quartic equation and its roots, with some expressing uncertainty about solving it. There are attempts to apply Hensel's lemma for the quadratic equation, alongside questions about the conditions required for its application. The Galois group discussion includes varying interpretations of notation and clarity regarding the group structure.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants seeking clarification on their approaches and others providing insights into the nature of the equations. There is a mix of attempts to solve the problems and requests for clearer communication regarding the mathematical concepts involved.

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Participants express concern about the relevance of these questions for an upcoming examination, indicating a sense of urgency and the need for further understanding of the topics discussed.

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1. x^4+2x^3+3x^2+4x+5=0


2. is the equation x^2=2 solvable in 7-adic numbers?


3. find the group Gal(F_p^n^2/ F_p^n), I got n^2-n+1... is it right?
 
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1. Isn't a question it's an equation

3. n^2-n+1 is not necessarily the most universal notation for a group. You mean the cyclic group of that order, right?

Show your work.
 
1. is to solve the equation, means to get the x, and I have no clue...

2.I think it's solvable, thus I used hensel lemma and got f'(x)=2x with |f(x)|_7... but haven't got a number which can satisfy the equation

3. for n+1, up to n^2 there will be n^2+1, and minus the n one in p^n, thus u got n^2-n+1.
 
Please someone , these questions will be on the final examination and it'll take place tomorrow, none of us had got these questions so far... :(
 
It's never good to wait until the last minute! :-p


For (1), surely you've done (or seen) similar problems already, and have an idea about what you should be doing?


For (2) and (3), you are very unclear...

For example, I haven't the slightest idea what "with [itex]|f(x)|_7[/itex]" means -- what exactly are the conditions for Hensel's lemma?

(P.S. don't forget that there is a very easy way to find solutions to an equation modulo 7...)


For (3) I have absolutely no idea what you're doing at all. Maybe if you could write more clearly what you are trying to do, it would be more clear to me... and more importantly, it would be more clear to you.
 
jian1 said:
3. for n+1, up to n^2 there will be n^2+1, and minus the n one in p^n, thus u got n^2-n+1.
If I read this on its own I have no idea that you're talking about Galois Theory or even that you are talking about groups.
 
jian1 said:
1. x^4+2x^3+3x^2+4x+5=0

This has "ugly" complex roots (2 pairs of complex conjugate roots). You need the general quartic method to solve this one.

Proving the equation has no real roots is easy. x= 1 is obviously not a solution of the original equation.

Let the orig. expression in x be represented as f(x)

Now,
[tex]{(x-1)}^2f(x) = {(x-1)}^2(x^4+2x^3+3x^2+4x+5) = x^6-6x+5 = g(x)[/tex] (say)

All zeros of f(x) comprise a subset of the zeros of g(x).

The degree 6 polynomial [tex]g(x)[/tex] obviously has a repeated root at x = 1. It would have 4 other (not necessarily distinct) roots.

But [tex]g'(x) = 6(x^5 - 1)[/tex] has no real zeros other than x = 1 (the others are the complex fifth roots of unity). Hence g(x) has no intersections with the x-axis other than forming a tangent at the repeated root x = 1. And we've observed that x = 1 is obviously not a zero of f(x).

Hence, f(x) has no real zeros.
 
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