Solving 3 variables - simultaneous equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem involving simultaneous equations related to purchasing fruit. The equations set up include the costs of different fruits and the total amount spent, leading to a need for whole number solutions. Participants suggest using deductive reasoning to enumerate possible values for the number of each type of fruit based on the constraints given. The problem is deemed appropriate for a Year 8/9 level, involving elimination and basic algebraic methods. Ultimately, the focus is on finding whole number solutions for the quantities of fruit purchased.
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hi, my sister came to me with this problem today, and i was stumped to believe this is 'year 8/9' work, but nevertheless, could you please provide me with a path, been trying to solve this for her for ages!

Homework Statement



p = $1.60 each, p = 40c each and a = 70c each.
At the shop she gave a $10 note and received a dozen pieces of fruit and $1 change.
how many A does she have

Homework Equations


I have a strange feeling I might need to use higher level maths to solve this (Gaussian) but theyre still at a young level.


The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the equations at least

1.60p + 0.40b + 0.7a = 9 (times 10 to get rid of annoying decimal)

p + b + a = 12
16p + 4b + 7a = 90

I then eliminated to get:
12b + 9a = 102
12p + 3a = 42
9p + 3b = 6

I don't know where to go from here, I hope you can help me! Thanks
 
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orangesun said:
hi, my sister came to me with this problem today, and i was stumped to believe this is 'year 8/9' work, but nevertheless, could you please provide me with a path, been trying to solve this for her for ages!

Homework Statement



p = $1.60 each, p = 40c each and a = 70c each.
At the shop she gave a $10 note and received a dozen pieces of fruit and $1 change.
how many A does she have

Homework Equations


I have a strange feeling I might need to use higher level maths to solve this (Gaussian) but theyre still at a young level.


The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the equations at least

1.60p + 0.40b + 0.7a = 9 (times 10 to get rid of annoying decimal)

p + b + a = 12
16p + 4b + 7a = 90

I then eliminated to get:
12b + 9a = 102
12p + 3a = 42
9p + 3b = 6

I don't know where to go from here, I hope you can help me! Thanks

From your two equations p + b + a = 12 and 16p + 4b + 7a = 90 you do not have enough to conditions to determine a unique solution. If you know (as is reasonable) that only *whole* numbers of fruits can be bought, so that p, b and a are whole numbers >= 0, then you can enumerate all the possibilities. For example, if we solve for a and b in terms of p we have: a = 14-4p, and b=3p-2. Since b >= 0 we must have 3p >= 2, which means that the integer p is >= 1. Now a must be >= 0, so 4p <= 14; that means that the integer p must be <= 3. So, now you know you must have p = 1, 2 or 3, and for each p-value you can figure out a and b.

RGV
 
orangesun said:
hi, my sister came to me with this problem today, and i was stumped to believe this is 'year 8/9' work, but nevertheless, could you please provide me with a path, been trying to solve this for her for ages!

This actually is around year 8 work (advanced), but they might not necessarily realize it. It involves elimination, and/or ref/rref. A student could easily recognize this "method"

Anyways, back to your question. I'd recommend RGV's method. It takes a little "deductive reasoning". Good Luck:-p
 
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