Solving a Problem with Relative Change: A 5% Increase in Radius

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The discussion focuses on understanding the relationship between the radius of a blood vessel and blood flow, represented by the equation F = kR^4. A 5% increase in radius leads to a relative change in flow that is approximately four times the relative change in radius, confirming that a small change in radius significantly impacts flow. The concept of relative change is clarified as the change divided by the original value, and participants discuss methods to derive the relationship through differentiation and approximation. Questions arise about the validity of dividing functions, emphasizing the need for careful mathematical manipulation. Ultimately, the thread seeks clarity on how to apply these concepts to the specific problem of blood flow changes due to radius alterations.
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Hello All

I have this problem that I have no idea how to do.

F = flux or the volume of blood to flow past a point

R = radius

F=kR^4

Show that the relative change in F is about four times the relative change in R. How will a 5% increase in radius affect the flow of Blood??

How in the world do I do this?? What is Relative Change?? My textbook does not have this term

I think I need to have 2 equations F = kR^4 and R = (F/k)^(1/4). Not sure what to do.

Please help.
 
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I think by relative change they only mean percentage change, or absolute change divided by the level: rel. change (up to time t) = [x(t) - x(0)]/x(0) = x(t)/x(0) - 1.
 
"Relative change" is the change "relative to" the original value: i.e. the change divided by the orginal amount. If we use \Delta R and \Delta F to mean the changes in R and F respectively, then their "relative changes" are \frac{\Delta R}{R} and \frac{\Delta F}{F}.
I don't know how you should do this because I don't know what level you are at and what "mechanisms" you have available to you.

Basic but harder way: Since you have F= kR4, if "dR" is the relative change in R, then dR= \frac{\Delta R}{R} so the actual change is \Delta R= Rdr and the new value for R (after the change) is R+ Rdr= R(1+dr). Then the new value for F is k(R(1+dr))4= kR4(1+ dr)4. Multiplying out (1+ dr)4= 1+ 4dr+ 6(dr)2+ 4(dr)3+ (dr)4 so the new value of F is kR4(1+ 4dr+ 6(dr)2+ 4(dr)3+ (dr)4). Subtracting of the old value, kR4 tells us that the actual change in F was kR4(4dr+ 6(dr)2+ 4(dr)3+ (dr)4) (we just removed that "1" inside the parentheses).
The relative change then is kR4(4dr+ 6(dr)2+ 4(dr)3+ (dr)4) divided by kR4 which is 4dr+ 6(dr)2+ 4(dr)3+ (dr)4. If "dr" is relatively small, then those powers of dr will be even smaller- the largest term will be 4dr: that is, "about four times the relative change in R."

More sophisticated and easier way. Differentiate F= kR4 with respect to time to get \frac{dF}{dt}= 4kR^3\frac{dR}{dt}. dividing that by F= kR4, \frac{\frac{dF}{dt}}{F}= 4\frac{\frac{dR}{dt}}{R} which says exactly that "the relative (rate of) change in F is equal to the relative (rate of) change in R".
 
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I think this is the way we are expected to do it.

HallsofIvyMore sophisticated and easier way. Differentiate F= kR[sup said:
4[/sup] with respect to time to get \frac{dF}{dt}= 4kR^3\frac{dR}{dt}. dividing that by F= kR4, \frac{\frac{dF}{dt}}{F}= 4\frac{\frac{dR}{dt}}{R} which says exactly that "the relative (rate of) change in F is equal to the relative (rate of) change in R".

This makes sense except for the one thing. This may be a silly question but can you just divide a function by another function without doing the same to both sides?

It seems like you are do the following

A = 2 + B is divided by C = D + 2 and you do the following

A 2 + B
- = ------
C D + 2

Don't you need to divide both sides by the same value? Or is it since C does equal D + 2 this is allowed?

Thanks for your help
 
Can sombody help with this part of the previous question

How will a 5% increase in radius affect the flow of Blood??

Please Please Pretty Please!
 
Read HallsOfIvy's post C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y.
 
Thanks.

I have reread it and still have no clue. Can anybody give me a hint??

Thanks
 

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