Solving a system in five unknowns for lagrange multiplier

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The problem involves finding the extrema of a function with two constraints, specifically the function f(x,y,z) = x+y+z, subject to the constraints x^2-y^2=1 and 2x+z=1. The discussion centers around the application of Lagrange multipliers to solve this system with five unknowns.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to construct a Lagrangian function and derive the necessary conditions for extrema. Participants question the existence of local extrema and explore the implications of the constraints on the solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion has revealed that the Lagrangian equations combined with the constraints do not yield a solution, leading to the conclusion that there are no local extrema. Some participants suggest considering boundary extrema, while others clarify that the lack of solutions precludes any extrema on the boundary as well.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding zeros for the constraints and the implications of the derived equations on the existence of extrema. The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem and the need for further exploration of the constraints.

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Homework Statement



I have to find the extrema of a given function with two constraints

f(x,y,z) = x+y+z;x^2-y^2=1;2x+z=1





The Attempt at a Solution


If I create a new function F

then I have

F(x,y,z,\lambda,\mu)=x+y+z-(x^2\lambda - y^2\lambda -\lambda) -(2x\mu + z\mu - \mu)

and taking the partials

\left\{\begin{array}{cc} F_{x} = 1-2x\lambda - 2\mu =0\\ F_{y} = 1+2y\lambda = 0 \\F_{z} = 1 - \mu = 0 \\ F_{\lambda} = -x^2 + y^2 + 1 = 0 \\ F_{\mu} = -2x - z +1 = 0 \end{array}\right.

so now,

\mu =1
solving for lambda

\lambda = -\frac{1}{2y} = \frac{1-2}{2x}

now solving for x [or y] x=y

but this causes an issue with -x^2+y^2+1=0 because 1 does not equal zero
 
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There are no local extrema then.

ehild
 
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okay, that's what I had figured. Making sure Idid not miss something
 
But can be extrema on the boundary.

ehild
 
ehild said:
But can be extrema on the boundary.

ehild

I can't find the zeros for the constraints though so what would I test in the function to see if there is.
 
ehild said:
But can be extrema on the boundary.

ehild

No. The fact that the Lagrangian equations plus the constraints have no solution precludes any extrema on the boundary.

This can also be verified directly: the two constraints can be used to find x and z in terms of y, then the results can be substituted into f(x,y,z); there are two solutions for x and z in terms of y, hence two versions of f. The two resulting problems are each one-dimensional problems, which can be examined graphically to check for the absence of local extrema. In other words, the "max" is +∞ and the "min" is -∞, but without any finite local constrained extrema at all.
 
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