Solving a System of Equations in N to Find a,b,c

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving three natural numbers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\). The equations are nonlinear and involve products of differences and sums of the variables. Participants explore various methods to find the values of \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\), including algebraic manipulation and guesswork.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that by analyzing the equation \((a - b)(b + c)(c - a) = 42\), one can deduce that \(b + c = 7\), leading to further simplifications.
  • Others suggest adding the equations to derive new relationships, such as \((a - b)^2c = 24\), \((c - a)^2b = 9\), and \((b - c)^2a = 75\), and then making assumptions about the relationships between the squared terms.
  • A participant mentions a solution of \(a = 3\), \(b = 1\), and \(c = 6\), which they verify satisfies all three original equations.
  • Another participant echoes similar steps and confirms the solution through trial and error, noting that combining results from different approaches can reduce the range of guesses needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants arrive at the same solution, there is no consensus on the methods used to derive it, and various approaches are discussed without resolution on the most effective strategy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the relationships between the variables and the nature of the equations, which may not be universally accepted or verified. The reliance on guesswork and trial-and-error methods indicates potential limitations in the approaches discussed.

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$a,b,c,\in N$
$( a −b)(b − c )(c + a ) = −90$
$( a − b)(b + c)(c − a ) = 42$
$( a + b)(b − c )(c − a ) = −60$
$ find :\,\, a,b,c$
 
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Albert said:
$a,b,c,\in N$
$( a −b)(b − c )(c + a ) = −90$
$( a − b)(b + c)(c − a ) = 42$
$( a + b)(b − c )(c − a ) = −60$
$ find :\,\, a,b,c$

a = 3, b= 1, c= 6

for solution
it is not elegent but effecitive

from the ( a − b)(b + c)(c − a ) = 42
as 7 devides RHS and not the other 2 equations we have
b+ c = 7 ( as b and c > 0)

so we get (a-b)(c-a) = 6

so combinations a-b = 6 , c- a = 1
a- b= 3 , c - a = 2
a - b = 2 c - a = 3
a- b = 1 , c- a = 6
and (-6, -1),(-3,-2), (-2,-3) and (-1,6) each can be tried with b+ c to give
a= 3, b = 1 and then they are seen to satisfy other 2 equations
 
Albert said:
$a,b,c,\in N$
$( a −b)(b − c )(c + a ) = −90$
$( a − b)(b + c)(c − a ) = 42$
$( a + b)(b − c )(c − a ) = −60$
$ find :\,\, a,b,c$
My solution, like http://www.mathhelpboards.com/members/kaliprasad/'s, involved a bit of guesswork. Add the first and second equations to get $$-2(a-b)^2c = -48.$$ Add the second and third equations to get $$-2(c-a)^2b = -18.$$ Add the first and third equations to get $$-2(b-c)^2a = -150.$$ You can write those equations as $$(a-b)^2c = 24 = 2^2*6,$$ $$(c-a)^2b = 9 = 3^2*1,$$ $$(b-c)^2a = 75 = 5^2*3.$$ If you then make the assumption that the squared terms on the left side of those equations correspond to the squared terms on the right side, and the nonsquared terms likewise correspond, then you read off the solution $a=3,\,b=1,\,c=6,$ which turns out to be correct.
 
Opalg said:
My solution, like http://www.mathhelpboards.com/members/kaliprasad/'s, involved a bit of guesswork. Add the first and second equations to get $$-2(a-b)^2c = -48.$$ Add the second and third equations to get $$-2(c-a)^2b = -18.$$ Add the first and third equations to get $$-2(b-c)^2a = -150.$$ You can write those equations as $$(a-b)^2c = 24 = 2^2*6,$$ $$(c-a)^2b = 9 = 3^2*1,$$ $$(b-c)^2a = 75 = 5^2*3.$$ If you then make the assumption that the squared terms on the left side of those equations correspond to the squared terms on the right side, and the nonsquared terms likewise correspond, then you read off the solution $a=3,\,b=1,\,c=6,$ which turns out to be correct.

we can combine (from above)
(a−b)^2c=24=2^2∗6
and b+ c = 7 ( from by solution) and confirm c = 6
we could have (a-b) = 1 and c = 24 from the above and by trial and error remove it.
and combining the two we get c =6 ad confirm and then b= 1 and a = 3

combining the above 2 get less range to guess
 

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