Solving a Tricky Substitution with d^2x/dt^2

  • Thread starter Thread starter strokebow
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Substitution
AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around substituting variables in the second derivative of a function, specifically d^2x/dt^2, using the chain rule. The user defines a new variable, θ, as (Ω*t)/2 and derives the relationship between derivatives with respect to t and θ. They seek clarification on how to express d^2x/dt^2 in terms of d^2x/dθ^2, arriving at the conclusion that d^2x/dt^2 equals (Ω^2 / 4) * d^2x/dθ^2. The conversation highlights the application of the chain rule and the manipulation of derivatives, ultimately confirming the validity of the steps taken.
strokebow
Messages
122
Reaction score
0
Hi,

Firstly: This is not a homework Q. Check my previous posts, you will see the stuff i ask is for my own genuine learning.

Let:
\vartheta = (\Omega*t)/2

Now I have: d^2x/dt^2

And I want to sub in for t.

So:

d/dt = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta
(Basic chain rule)

I can work out that: d\vartheta/dt = \Omega/2

So:

d/dt = \Omega/2 * d/d\vartheta

Now for the second derivative:

d^2/dt^2 = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta * (d/dt)

Now, I already have an expression for d/dt = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta

So I can sub this in and get:

d^2/dt^2 = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta * d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta
Which is:
(correct me if I am wrong):
d^2/dt^2 = d\vartheta^2/dt^2 * d^2/d\vartheta^2

This is where I need the help of the experts :-)

The text I am trying to understand gives this:
d^2x/dt^2 = \Omega^2 / 4 * d^2x/d\vartheta^2

Any ideas how they have made that step... it seems like they have simply said:
d\vartheta/dt * d\vartheta/dt = (d\vartheta/dt)^2
Is this acceptable?
If \Omega = 2\pi*(1/t). Then its like saying:
d^2/dt^2 ((\Omega*t)/2) = \Omega^2 / 4 Any ideas/help?

thanks
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
hi strokebow! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
strokebow said:
Let:
\vartheta = (\Omega*t)/2

d/dt = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta
(Basic chain rule)

The text I am trying to understand gives this:
d2x/dt2 = \Omega^2 / 4 * d^2x/d\vartheta^2

i don't really understand your equations :redface:

the way they got that is

d2x/dt2

= d/dt (dx/dt)

= {d/dθ (dx/dt)} dθ/dt

= {d/dθ (dθ/dt dx/dθ))} dθ/dt

= {(Ω/2 d2x/dθ2)} Ω/2 :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
= {d/dθ (dθ/dt dx/dθ))} dθ/dt

= {(Ω/2 d2x/dθ2)} Ω/2 :wink:

Hi,

Thanks you for your reply! :-)

The inbetweener steps would be . . . (?)

= {d/dθ (dθ/dt dx/dθ))} dθ/dt

= {d/dθ dx/dθ (dθ/dt )} dθ/dt

= {d/dθ dx/dθ (Ω/2)} Ω/2

= {d2x/(dθ)2 (Ω/2)} Ω/2

= {(Ω/2 d2x/dθ2)} Ω/2

yar?
 
yes.
 
Suppose ,instead of the usual x,y coordinate system with an I basis vector along the x -axis and a corresponding j basis vector along the y-axis we instead have a different pair of basis vectors ,call them e and f along their respective axes. I have seen that this is an important subject in maths My question is what physical applications does such a model apply to? I am asking here because I have devoted quite a lot of time in the past to understanding convectors and the dual...
Insights auto threads is broken atm, so I'm manually creating these for new Insight articles. In Dirac’s Principles of Quantum Mechanics published in 1930 he introduced a “convenient notation” he referred to as a “delta function” which he treated as a continuum analog to the discrete Kronecker delta. The Kronecker delta is simply the indexed components of the identity operator in matrix algebra Source: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-exactly-is-diracs-delta-function/ by...

Similar threads

Back
Top