Solving an Integral Equation: Where's the Error?

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral equation involving the integrals of tangent functions, specifically \(\int \tan x \cdot dx\) and \(\int \tan 2y \cdot dy\). The original poster expresses confusion regarding the integration process and the resulting constant \(C\) when applying initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the integration of tangent functions and the implications of absolute values in logarithmic expressions. Questions arise about the correct application of initial conditions and the determination of the constant \(C\). There is also discussion about the absence of absolute value signs in the original problem statement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the integration process and questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration technique and the interpretation of constants, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants note the importance of initial conditions and the potential impact of absolute values on the integration results. There is also mention of the original problem's lack of clarity regarding the setup and the expected form of the answer.

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[tex]\int \tan x \cdot dx + \int \tan 2y \cdot dy = 0[/tex]

I get

[tex]1 = C\sqrt{\cos 2y} \cos x[/tex]

My init conditions were y(0) = pi/2 so I end up getting C as [itex]\sqrt{-1}[/itex] but the equation should be

[tex]-1 = \cos 2y \cos^2 x[/tex]

Where's my error?
 
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Did you forget that [itex]\int \frac{du}{u}= ln |u|+ C[/itex]?

That is, did you forget the absolute value?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Did you forget that [itex]\int \frac{du}{u}= ln |u|+ C[/itex]?

That is, did you forget the absolute value?

Wouldn't I then have to add absolute signs around both cosines? Then C would equal 1 instead of -1.

I'm not sure where 1/u comes up... can't I just integrate tan x to get -ln |cos x| and tan 2y to get -1/2 ln |cos 2y|?
 
Yes, but the "1/u" is where ln|cos x| comes from: tanx= sin x/cos x. If you let u= cos x then du= -sin x dx so [itex]\int tan x dx= -\int (1/u)du= --ln|u|+ C= -ln|cos x|+ C[/itex]. Of course, tan 2y= sin 2y/cos 2y. If you let u= cos 2y, then du= 2 sin 2y dy so [tex]\int tan 2y dy= -\frac{1}{2}\int (1/u)du= -\frac{1}{2}ln u+ C= -\frac{1}{2} ln|cos 2y|[/tex].

[tex]\int tan x dx+ \int tan 2y dy= -ln|cos x|- \frac{1}{2}ln|cos 2y|+ C[/tex]

Of course, you didn't tell us what the actual problem is so I have no idea how you would decide what C is!
 
Yes, but the "1/u" is where ln|cos x| comes from: tanx= sin x/cos x.

Oops, I should have seen that.

Of course, you didn't tell us what the actual problem is so I have no idea how you would decide what C is!

Oh, but I did state the initial conditions in my OP! Here they are again: [itex]y(0) = \pi/2[/itex]I worked from where you left off (where we both agree) and I got
[tex]C^2 = |\cos 2y||\cos^2 x|[/tex]

So with the initial conditions

[tex]C^2 = |-1||1| \Leftrightarrow C = \sqrt{1}[/tex]

I can get -1 out of that, but why choose it over 1? Also, the answer stated in my OP (as given in my book) has no absolute value signs, why's that?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Quick recap,

[tex]\int \tan x dx+ \int \tan 2y dy = -\ln |\cos x|- \frac{1}{2}\ln |\cos 2y|+ C=0[/tex]​

notice that since

[tex]-1\leq \cos x\leq 1 \Rightarrow 0\leq |\cos x| \leq 1\Rightarrow -\infty \leq \ln |\cos x| \leq 0 \Rightarrow 0 \leq -\ln |\cos x| \leq \infty ,[/tex]​

and likewise we have [tex]0 \leq - \frac{1}{2}\ln |\cos 2y| \leq \infty[/tex] so that

[tex]0 \leq -\ln |\cos x| - \frac{1}{2}\ln |\cos 2y| \leq \infty[/tex]​

but

[tex]-\ln |\cos x| - \frac{1}{2}\ln |\cos 2y| +C=0[/tex]​

so it must be that [tex]C\leq 0,[/tex] so choose the value [tex]C=-1[/tex].
 
Thanks for your help.
 

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